Hello all. I have recently bought KL Mk 3 61 keyboard and I am pretty satisfied with it. Everything works great with Ableton Live 12 and it is very convenient except the endless encoders. When the keyboard is in “DAW program” and I select effect (or change track) in Ableton, I would expect that Ableton send current values of knobs of selected effect to keyboard, so it prevents any values from jumping and all values of encoders would correspond to values on effect. However instead of that when I reach the encoder the value in Ableton jumps.
All my drivers and softare are up to date. I have already tried to switch “Takeover mode” to “Value Scaling” or “Pickup” but that is definetly not the best way. Maybe I am wrong but rotary encoders can hadle this much better, so I thought maybe I’ve done something wrong.
I also tried to create user program and change the mode of encoders to relative but then I can’t see any information on display. The encoders works correctly only in Analog lab.
Please, does anymone have similar issue? I have gone through some forums and I found similar issue here, however different keyboard:
So it is maybe something with relative/absolute setup and the midi remote script in Ableton but I am quite new to midi keyboards and I am not capable of applying this fix to mk3 61.
Same problem here. I am expecting developers to support relative controlling in DAW mode. Otherwise, endless encoders are even worse than normal encoders.
Coming back on this topic… Any update on this issue : indeed it’s even worse as soon as you touch a rotary it’s jumping far away when the previous patch was with a strong different value. Also tried to find the parameters in “user mode” but nothing
Keep in mind that both the sending and the receiving parts need to be set to use relative mode to work as such. Pickup settings are normally used for absolute controls.
Be sure your controller is set up correct.
I suggest you ask questions about using relative controls in your DAW in forums for your DAW and contact Support for your DAW.
You can always contact Arturia support through your account.
It’s kind of funny, i had the same issue with an AKAI MPK mini controller: the device comes with endless encoders, but to make them work as expected you have to mess around with Ableton user scripts and what not.
With a device like the KLE this issue is even more irritating as you have to sacrifice all the nice parts of the DAW-integration (esp. track & parameter names on the display) if you opt for a “user program” just to get encoders sending relative values.
Please correct me if i’m wrong on that – i am really thankful for any good solution. I really just want to use my endless encoders as they are meant to be used: picking up values wherever they are, not worrying in cases where they are being automated in the DAW, etc.
@LBH, may i ask why it is such a big deal to have endless encoders work as you expect them to work in Ableton? Why isn’t that functionality provided by default in 2024/25, neither by AKAI nor by Arturia? I am seriously interested in the explanation, as I am inclined to think there must be one.
And most importantly: will there be a firmware update that tackles these issues?
I’m not an Arturia employee. I’m a user like you. I’m just also an external moderator.
As far as i know, then the endless encoders in Keylab Essentiel are working. They can be set to work in 3 differnt Relative modes and in Absolute mode.
I’m just saying that the receiving part also have to be set to or detect a matching mode to work.
I have no idea, if there may excist issues.
I know nothing about how Ableton Live work with Relative controls. I don’t use Live. That’s why i suggested to contact someone who may know about it.
Cheers
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