Thanks for your feedback @bearfacedcow
I’ve certainly thought about it for a while, and I totally understand the approach.
I’d be lying if I said I hadn’t tried using FL Studio to experiment with the suggested chord progressions, play around with the random elements, and use Instacomposer 3 for a MIDI arrangement across a total of six tracks.
don’t know how Frank Zappa would fit into this era, but given his avant-garde nature, we might have been treated to a “Black Page” revealing what kind of synth he would have used.
Anyway, I’m focusing more on musically freeing myself on my Roland through fleeting improvisations (even though I’m still a guitarist), but I’ll still try to be a little less resistant to certain utilities.
Anyway, have a good evening (here) or a good day.
PascalH.
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Generative AI (I would drop the I and stick to A for artificial) is based on millions of human productions (text, music,images, etc), humans robbed of their intellectual property, with the help of slaves to monitor the learning. It attempts to hide the human aspect behind like the 17e century Mechanical Turk hid a human being.
If it helps producing formatted music for contracts, well, so be it. But if you’re really looking for a creative expression of yourself, it’s not the way to go. Without the huge data and the supervised learning, A creates nothing.
LLM (gpt like) have already destroyed the Internet.
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I love how people use the word “generative“ as if it’s a thing. All AI generates something.
AI is not the problem here. It’s the people who are using it at the moment. However, it’s not anything that bothers me because I have seen this trend happen with almost every Tech revolution for the past 40+ years. It passes.
Jord
"Although generative AI offers innovative tools for creating new data and simulations, nongenerative AI excels in analyzing existing data to inform patient care. "
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0749806324010181
" Three Types Of AI That Aren’t Generative—And Why They Matter"
My personal take on it, these are my own views and do not represent the views of Arturia or any of their employees…
Got that out of the way…
The ONLY thing i’ve EVER used it for and ever WILL use it for is for replacing my own dodgy vocals, i don’t need or want ‘help’ to create as i have more than enough ideas of my own.
I’d hire decent session singers if i could find them locally, but there don’t appear to be any locally to where i am.
I have absolutely ZERO interest in an algorithm ‘making suggestions’ when i know i can come up with something better anyway, not being snotty or big-headed, it’s called getting out there, doing it and learning from it, it’s how we used to do things before ‘influencers’. Call me old-fashioned lol.
Feeling the need to rely on ‘a robot’ to create music is all a bit grim as far as i’m concerned… just go and have some music lessons… or some more music lessons… if that fails, try macramé or something else 
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Well, that’s what’s in store for us.
Sorry, it’s in French, but you can always use the subtitles to translate it.
It gives you something to think about—though not for me, since I already have my hands full with Cubase Pro.
Aside from the tools that might help me with mixing, I don’t have any plans to release an album.
Cheers.
Thing is, there’s different levels of it.
You could argue that I’ve been embracing AI in my music for half of this century by using the Logic Pro session drummer first introduced in Logic Pro X in 2013. But there’s never a time where I considered the resulting work wasn’t mine, not least because there were/are a thousand ways to customize the session drummer, in fact you have to customize it to make it work for your particular vision. To me that’s a world away from the likes of Suno, which can create a complete song with almost no human input, and suddenly everyone’s a song writer and musician.
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" Noam Chomsky Says ChatGPT Is a Form of “High-Tech Plagiarism”
That’s it. No human data for training IA, no result.
The human part in IA training is willfully hidden like the human in the 17th century Mechanical Turk chess player.
IA is a statistical approximation, a lame middle ground. It will always leave out the less common features (les ailes de la courbe normale, the wings of the Gaussian curve).
Added: Zappa is a good example of what to do to beat IA; there are probably other contemporary examples.
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Personally, I’d rather smash cat turds into the keybed on my piano.
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HI @ricegrain and welcome to The Sound Explorers Forum!
That’s a rather eloquent post there!
I do hope your piano is ok too.
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De la compétition pour Angine de Poitrine?
It’s not Math Rock but Cat Rock!
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So after I made the comment comparing AI to cat turds, I read through the entire thread here, and have to admit that I may actually end up using AI for mastering. I’d never use it for composition. Kinda hypocritical since I use arps and the Arturia mutate function (AI’s dumb cousins).
Damn, this is a thorny subject.
I worry that our attempts to maximize efficiencies and monetize every square inch of the world is going to turn humanity into a big useless blob that only serves to entertain the bits and bytes.
I have no mouth and I must sing.
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If you are using any of today’s DAW‘s, you are far more likely to be using a feature that has AI in it, such as tempo mapping, stem, splitting, or even dynamic MIDI generation.
And guess what? It’s all right.
The current concern should not be if you are using AI to enhance your abilities. It should be if you were using AI to replace your abilities. Big difference. It’s just a tool.
However, if you are still looking for cat turd for your keyboard, I have four giant cats that will happily contribute to your cause.
Jord
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You pretty much summed up my feelings about it. Enhancements like adding a dab of reverb onto vocals, de-essing, compression, EQ’ing, etc., are all legitimate enhancements but recording something that you can’t perform live? Nope.
So far, the only recordings I make are with my RC-505MKII looper and separately with a Zoom LiveTrak L6 Max, and they all come out sounding great.
I’ve had terrible results with Logic Pro. The most prominent problems for me has been inconsistent volume levels between platforms. I haven’t even tried to record into LogicPro for years now. If AI could make my tracks sound consistent whether I play them in a car, through headphones or streamed from various services, all without me having to spend hours diving down rabbit holes just to get crappy results, I’d be pretty damned happy.
I sincerely appreciate the offer of feline feces, but I live in NW Florida and there’s seriously no shortage of turds here. On another note, I love cats, but haven’t gotten another one since my last guy passed. The turds were never a problem as my guy liked to stay outside the majority of the time. I do miss him.
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I worked in AI 1.0 (automatic translation, expert systems).
I acknowledge the usefulness of non generative AI for training a circuitry, for example.
It could certainly help in the cases you mention. It’s a tool as you say. But if the the tool is your master, something’s wrong.
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