I have a drum track running at 148 bpm.
I loaded a midi sequence in the Jup-8000 sequencer.
I have to set the BPM to 37. The sequencer runs 4 times too fast.
NB. The midi sequence comes from Ample Sound Upright Bass running at 148 bpm.
Hi @francoise. Hope you are well.
When using BPM for rate in Jup-8000’s sequencer, then each step count in the sequencer correspond to a 1/16 note.
If you use SYNC for rate and set it to 1/16, then that match the tempo of BPM, if BPM is set to the same as the DAW’s BPM tempo setting.
We presume one beat is 1/4 note.
I can imagine, that your sequence is made of 1/4 notes but a note for each step count in Jup-8000’s sequencer. Then it will run 4 times faster. And then the tempo has to be adjusted like you do.
Can this explain it?
Hi LBH,
thank you for your reply.
I forgot an essential point: I was using Jup as standalone.
In Windows, if you set the BPM in Jup Audio settings, it sometimes work but it often doesn’t work (Windows poor midi support).
So time division 1/4, 1/8, etc. is usually based on 120.
In Cubase, it follows the Cubase tempo settings. At 148 bpm, 1/4 it is the same as 37 bpm.
If the standalone drum is playing at 148 bpm, the standalone Jup sequencer will have to be set at 37 bpm to be consistent with the drum.
In standalone mode, with a drum playing at 80 bpm, the Jup sequencer has to be set at 20 bpm.
The Jup supports such a low bpm but 20 bpm seems to me to a quite low tempo.
If I’m right the Jup-8000 is the only VST offering a sequencer alongside arps. It would be nice if the BPM could be more aligned with other VSTs.
Addendum:
I compared in standalone mode the Minifreak V sequencer and the Jup-8000 V sequencer. Drum at 100 bpm, MiniF sequencer at 100 bpm, 1/4 and Jup-8000 at 25 bpm (= 1/4 of 100).
On four bars, the Jup-8000 sequencer cycles twice faster than the MiniF sequencer. At 25 bpm, the Jup-8000 is cycling at 1/8 compared to MiniF sequencer. If I set MiniF sequencer at 100 bpm 1/8, they both cycle perfectly together.
I’d say it’s a bug that could probably easily be fixed.
Hi again @francoise,
It does’nt matter if it’s standalone or not.
Are you sure you use the sameTempo setting and Time division setting in both MiniFreak V and Jup-8000 V? And are notes placed the same?
Both Minifreak V and Jup-8000 V seem to play the same speed here, when i set the same settings for both. So right now i can’t confirm there is anything wrong. Seems to be ok, but it can be confusing.
Can you please post screenshots of Sequence notes, speed and rate settings?
You have to compare the MiniF sequencer to the Jup-8000 sequencer. Not the ARPs.
The best would be a video screenshot of both sequencers cycling with one note on a four bar sequence for both. But I’m not familiar with video screen capture. Only done once.
They’re cycling at the same speed but the Jup standalone is set at 25 bpm (1/4 of 100 bpm) and the MiniF sequencer standalone is set at 100, 1/8.
So Jup at 1/4 is really running at 1/8 compared to MiniF.
Rate BPM Jup-8000 = 25 (eg. 1/4 of 100 bpm)
MiniF sequencer is set at 100 1/8
There both cycling identically.
Here’s a short clip, audio and video are not aligned but it gives an idea of the sound and the cycling.
I do compare the sequencers.
I don’t understand your result. If i use the same settings, then Minifreak run twice the rate so to speak.
If setting the Time Division in Minifreak to 1/4, then it’s the same rate.
As said, then it look like the time division by default is 1/16 when using BPM for the Rate in Jup-8000 instead of SYNC. This is no matter you use the Sequencer or the Arp.
So with a main tempo set to 100 bpm, and a Sequencer Rate setting at 25 BPM (1/4 of the tempo) will mean each count step will sound like a 1/4 note as notes get 4 time longer when the rate is 4 times slower - (4 X 1/16 = 1/4).
(I assume you in Jup-8000 have set the main BPM to 100 in the Audio and MIDI settings panel.)
In Minifreak you have set the Time Division to 1/8.
You actually have settings so each step in Jup-8000 sound like 1/4 notes and each step in Minifreak sound like 1/8 notes.
So in a cycle set from 1 to 5 (4 steps) in both synths, then your Minifreak should play 2 cycles while your Jup-8000 play 1 cycle using the settings you show in your example. This is what your examples should do.
If you set Minifreaks Time Division to 1/4 instead of 1/8, then they should play the same amounts of cycles. This is the result i get.
If you get another result, and you are sure the main BPM tempo is the same for both synth, then i have no clue what’s going on.
It says your video is Private. I can’t play/ watch it.
Sorry, Youtube said It’s private by default and it can’t be changed. New rules!
I would have to reload the mp4 and I spent too much time trying to deliver an mp4 showing the discrepancy with both sequencers.
Bottom line (for me), it’s a bug but I can live with it.
But I’ll file an officail report to Arturia, which I never do. For their own sake.
Thanks for your help!
It’s fine to contact Arturia support @francoise.
Some info about the Time Division in Jup-8000 V when using BPM rate setting is missing in the manual.
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It helped me to discuss with you: I suddenly found it important to compare with the MiniFreak V sequencer.
Sorry for the youtube failure. Mp4 are not directly allowed on the forum videos are not supported on soundcloud.
As I say, it’s a minor flaw but I think it’s important to let them know since the new ARP/sequencer interface will probably be the future.
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