How to assign midi CC to Behringer pro-800?

[kamael83]

Hi all.
I bought Pigments 5 yesterday and I am deeply deeply head over heels in love with it.
I figured, it will be amazing, if I could control it with hardware.
I have Behringer pro-800 which is capable of midi CC. I know because I can easily assign control through ableton’s midi learn feature.
However, I can’t figure out how to get it to work in pigments.
When trying “learn” function in pigments, nothing happens, it seems to me that pigments is not detecting pro-800.

I tried to do it in standalone Pigments, and as plugin in Ableton. Nothing works.
My setup:
I have both Pigments and pro-800 set to the same midi channel.
Pro-800 is connected through USB to my desktop.

Help!

[LBH]

Hi @kamael83. Welcome to the community.

I don’t know anything about your Behringer.

I suggest you try this:

1. In Pigments Settings select All as Midi Channel.
2. In Pigments MIDI (Learn )section select Generic MIDI controller as MIDI Controller.
3. Try to use a midi CC that’s already assigned for the Generic MIDI Config below the Learn button.

If this does’nt work, then test if your hardware is sending the midi CC’s, and which.

If it work, then please tell step by step how you try to use Learn, if that still does’nt work.

Also tell if your keyboard use Absolute controls. I assume it does.

[kamael83]

Hi
Thank you for coming back.
I have midi channel set to all.
I have selected generic midi controller
I checked if Behringer sends midi out and it does.
I just tried assigning main volume to main volume knob which share CC7
Still nothing happened.

Steps to try to assign CC:

1. Click “Learn”
2. left click on any given knob or button highlighted in purple
3. move knob or push button on the synth.
4. If works, Pigments knob should turn red.

I don’t know what you mean by Absolute controls, and not sure how to check it.

Settings in Behringer:

1. midi cc tx/ax
   2midi pc tx/ax

I tested pigments with other hardware just now:

1. Works no problem with Arturia’s Keylab mk2 when running standalone Pigments. I could not assign any control when running Pigments as Ableton plugin.

2. I could not assign anything to Roland TR8S the same as Behringer - regardless if I was running Pigments standalone or as plugin.

3. I have no problems assigning midi CC to ableton knobs and faders etc on any of the 3 devices.

What settings should I select in Ableton midi options?

[LBH]

Midi CC#07 is already assigned to Master Volume in Pigments Generic MIDI Config by me. Did you select the Generic MIDI Config like i suggested?

Just tried to search your Behringer on the web. Is does’nt have any keys it look like. Have you in Pigments Audio Midi Settings selected it as controller? Is it available?

I’m puzzled why your Behringer does’nt work with Pigments in Ableton Live, if it work with other third party instruments. Is that what you are saying is the case?

I can’t help much with Ableton Live as i don’t use it.

Are you using the latest version and update of Pigments?

Unless your Behringer do not have Endless controls, then they are Absolute.

EDIT: I have just tested with Pigments in standalone mode. I have no issues assigning midi CC’s from my controller. Also midi CC#07 can be assigned. EDIT END

[kamael83]

Hi
thank you for looking into this.
I just figured it out!

Probably obvious stuff to Ableton savy people…
So on the track with Pigments I had to specify “midi from” to my Pro-800 and set monitoring to “in”.

Then I arrived at the next problem. As you pointed out, Pro-800 is a desktop synth with no keyboard. So how the hell am I supposed to play Pigments if I don’t have a sequence going?
On the track with Pigments:

1. Ableton setup:

• Set midi from to “all ins”
• Set midi channel to…specific channel you have your midi keyboard set to (in my case ch1)
  -set monitor to “in”

2. Pigments setup

• Midi Channel to “all”
• Midi controller “generic”
• Pick midi config “empty”

Start programming MIDI CC.

Thank you for your help. Kept me going. Otherwise I would have given up.

Last question:
Is there a way to have same knobs do different things? For example:
If I have 3 position switch on my hardware synth, is it possible to make a makro to program each position to allow to control envelopes 1, 2 ,3 with same 4 knobs? Or am I asking for too much now?

[LBH]

You are welcome @kamael83.

Great you found your solution.

@kamael83

Last question:
Is there a way to have same knobs do different things? For example:
If I have 3 position switch on my hardware synth, is it possible to make a makro to program each position to allow to control envelopes 1, 2 ,3 with same 4 knobs? Or am I asking for too much now?

One midi CC can only control one control.

• If the switch you have is changing control pages on your hardware, where the midi CC changed for the control, then you could do that.
• If this is not the case, then you only have the 4 midi CC’s to send out. Then you can create your own MIDI Configs in Pigments with different mappings for those midi CC’s. But you can’t use the switch to change MIDI configs in Pigments. It’s not good for live performance.
• You can for example assign the 4 midi CC’s to Pigments 4 Macro controls (they are mapped in the Generic MIDI config.). Each Macro can control multiple parameters at a time using Pigments modulation system.

I suggest you study Pigments modulation system.