There are moments where i wish to have more Function Generators and more Randoms. An interesting idea imo would be to make it so that we could choose what each modulator does. So, a select option where we can make each modulator an LFO, a Function Generator, and Envelope, or a Random. This would open up the possibility of adding new types of Modulators, too. More Function Generators would make the Envelopes (which only have four points) and the LFOs (which do not go slowly enough for me) almost unnecessary. Yeah double the amount of each modulator would be great but i see why i won’t likely happen (keep the whole synth on one page, maybe it would be a nice option for those who have bigger screens)
Pigments is plenty fun as is.
Wavetable Editor would be nice.
Hi @CrystalWizard and thanks for the suggestion, just tweaked your title slightly, so it’ll be more likely to be seen by The Arturia Devs.
HTH!
Thanks, i overlooked the protocol ![]()
Hi @CrystalWizard ,
How slow do you need them?
I wonder why you don’t mention the Combinate section. There are 3 modulator modules available there with many possibilities. Any reason why you left them out? They for example even have Envelope Followers that have the option to use external audio as modulator source - or internal audio and other options for that matter.
Just saying - just in case.
An example of this would be how Massive X handles it’s modulators.
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/synths/massive-x/
Do you mean the same as how they are implemented in newer Arturia synths such a Jup8000v? See screenshot…
If so, I agree. That would be nice to see in Pigments. I find the Voice Modulator and Mod Sequencer very useful. Seeing as it is already implemented elsewhere, it should not be hard to incorporate in Pigments. But I am not a developer - so take that wild assumption with a pinch of salt ![]()
I don’t think it’s possible to choose between for example LFO, ENV and Performer in any slot in Massive X. Like in Pigments there can be module related options in each module.
I think Pigments can have a few more modulators active at the same time.
Pigments Centerstrip and other indicators offer a good way to spot modulations going on.
If Pigments in the future can offer to select any modulator in more slots, while having a dynamic centerstrip showing all the modulators in use, and all user friendly indicators can be kept, and the file size don’t get huge, and without draining the CPU, then i’m all for it.
With even more slots than now, i don’t think that have to be easy or possible at all, - or make sense.
We will see what happens in the future.
Pigments have it’s design ideas and ways to do things like Massive X and other synths have. Then we can discuss, what we like best, and how things perhaps can be better, which might turn out to be in another or a new synth.
Not Massive X’s Performers, or the first ADSR, they’re fixed. For the rest though, you can chose between Modulation Envelope, Exciter Envelope, (Switcher) LFO, Random LFO.
As with the effects you click on the module title to make your selection.
Yes, that looks like what i meant. I don’t have the Jup800v but that seems right. If not each individual modulator then perhaps each set of three. So, instead of ENV/LFO/FG/RND/COMB one could select say ENV/FG/FG/RND/RND. Providing three ENVs, Six Function Generators, Six Randoms.
re: the Combinator, i will take a closer look… As for how slow, um, at least .001hz. I am somebody who gets regular use out of the Seriously Slow LFO module in VCV Rack. All of my homebuilt synths, some of my effects, and a few that i bought all have the LFO modified to go sloooow.
I’m not quite sure what you mean about the Combinators? Although i can choose any of the existing modulators they are still the same ones. Or are you suggesting that i can slow down the LFOs via the combinator? I often use a macro knob for this but as i have already requested more macros that’s isn’t often ideal. (who at Arturia thought that 4 macro knobs is sufficient? 16 would be more ideal or at very least 8.)
Lastly, yes, the GUI for modulation is fabulous. I wouldn’t want that to change.
I asked a question about how slow rate you want. You want 0.001 Hz.
The Combinator modules can create other modulations based on existing modulations. That’s more modulations.
The Combinator modules also have a Envelope follower option. This add a modulator based on incoming audio - also from external source. This can for example be used to create long modulations depending on the incoming audio.
(In generel i suggest to experiment.)
You could for example try to create a Slow LFO sound in your VCV Rack and use the output as input for the Combinator Envelope Follower.
In some cases we can get results by modulating the phase to get results similar to slower rates. For example use a LFO SAW to modulate the Phase of another LFO set to TRIANGLE. Set the rates slightly different. Then you can get very long modulations. This require an extra modulator to modulate the phase i know. And it’s not quite the same. Not as easy as having a single rate parameter setting.
But we do have ways to get very long modulations as it is internally in Pigments.
We also do have ways to get many different kind of modulation shapes and more or less random behaviors.
I would welcome slower rates in Pigments.
I don’t think many synth have very slow rates though. I believe that even in VCV it’s only some LFO modules that’s build for it.
Pigments rates go down to 0.01 Hz.
Beside the 4 Macros we also have midi CC#01 (ModWheel), midi CC#11 (Expression) that work the same way as Macro’s. Also keep in mind, that all can control multiple parameters. Most af Pigments separate parameters can in addition also be assigned a midi CC.
A host can send automation messages to all this parameters, which can be used to get very slow modulations.
I believe you have participated in a discussion about a feature request for more Macros in the community already.
Functions can work as Envelopes, LFO’s and Steppers/ Trancegate/ Sequential or whatever modulations.
All in all some kind of modulator choice are already possible. And Pigments have lots of modulators.
Pigments have lots of creative possibilities since so many things can be combined in different ways.
So far Pigments has been an ongoing developing project.
Hi CrystalWizard,
I have passed this on to the Pigments team, in case this is something that could be implemented in the future.
Thanks!
