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Chromat1c

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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2019, 12:06:58 pm »
So this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9c20tw7l5A
is...
A. Lying
B. Modifying the firmware or hardware
C. Has a technique unknown to all the other MxB users
?

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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2019, 11:08:28 am »
For now I believe he does it like I described in my previous post, by using the patch bay at the back, but through self patching (no external gear). Here is a proper step by step:

From an init patch :

1 Assign LFO 1 to (for example) VCO1 Metalizer with a max amount
2 Using the back panel, plug in VCO1 Metalizer CV OUT to the Gate Input
3 Set LFO 1 to sawtooth, Tempo synced, retrig mode OFF
4 Assign LFO 1 Rate in the matrix using the free assign buttons
5 Patch Seq Mod in LFO 1 Rate with a positive amount
6 Patch Velocity in LFO 1 Rate with a negative amount
7 Write a sequence in the sequencer
8 Using record mode, while stopped, use the big knob above the matrix to add positive seq mod values on the steps you want start to ratchet on
9 Add accents on the steps you want the ratchet to stop

NB : You will need to find the right modulations amounts on steps 5 and 6 (I don't recall the precise values, but it was kinda tricky to get it right)

In the end the whole setup felt not super super handy, so I am not completely sure that is the exact same technique he is using. However, the result was, to my ears, definitely similar.



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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2019, 09:35:53 am »
Whoooow,  the mods are reading this forum??? :o

Ha ha it's not THAT controversial. Is it? I mean all I want to know is how Kris
did his true ratcheting without CV patching. Just trying to learn. ;D

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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2019, 02:27:35 pm »
For now I believe he does it like I described in my previous post, by using the patch bay at the back, but through self patching (no external gear). Here is a proper step by step:

From an init patch :

1 Assign LFO 1 to (for example) VCO1 Metalizer with a max amount
2 Using the back panel, plug in VCO1 Metalizer CV OUT to the Gate Input
3 Set LFO 1 to sawtooth, Tempo synced, retrig mode OFF
4 Assign LFO 1 Rate in the matrix using the free assign buttons
5 Patch Seq Mod in LFO 1 Rate with a positive amount
6 Patch Velocity in LFO 1 Rate with a negative amount
7 Write a sequence in the sequencer
8 Using record mode, while stopped, use the big knob above the matrix to add positive seq mod values on the steps you want start to ratchet on
9 Add accents on the steps you want the ratchet to stop

NB : You will need to find the right modulations amounts on steps 5 and 6 (I don't recall the precise values, but it was kinda tricky to get it right)

In the end the whole setup felt not super super handy, so I am not completely sure that is the exact same technique he is using. However, the result was, to my ears, definitely similar.
Well I don't know if this is "true" ratcheting or not, but it sure is fun. Needs some tweaking but easily brings some nice repetitions on some steps. I also added modulation of LFO1 speed with LFO2 in the Matrix, or even  crazier, using Env3 to modulate LFO1 speed: adjusting the attack and release properly brings some offbeat accents that are really cool!

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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2019, 01:20:29 pm »
I had a reply to my questions from Kris on YouTube

        "The fun is in the finding :) and I have no intention of spoiling anyone's fun."

He says he is not using any patching, that it is true ratcheting, possible with no firmware update.

Arturia did you know this is possible? Is it possible?


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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2019, 07:39:08 pm »
Did some new tests WITHOUT using the CV patch cord to Gate In.
The trick is to modulate the VCA with LFO1 and then:
-In Seq Mod, modulate both LFO1 amount and LFO1 rate (user defined mod).
-seems to require synced LFO2 to also modulate LFO1 rate
-looks like LFO should be free running...

When I get a more reliable result I'll post an audio example, but I am quite sure that modulating VCA is the only way to get ratcheting without externally triggering the Gate.

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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2019, 10:42:56 am »


He says he is not using any patching

-In the description I only see "All internal; no outs." which to me means "I did it all on the Matrixbrute", but not "I did not use patch cables"
-Another thing that is noticeable is how the upper part of the machine is hidden, unlike all his other videos.

I could be wrong, of course, but I still think the workflow is the one involving using the bay to patch a modulator out and in the gate input  :)

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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2019, 01:22:52 am »
Download the free patches by Yves Usson
on the arturia web site

some of the patches have the ratchet effect
perhaps some bright spark can reverse engineer the patches
and tell us how its done

cheers
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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2019, 03:07:49 pm »
Download the free patches by Yves Usson
on the arturia web site

some of the patches have the ratchet effect
perhaps some bright spark can reverse engineer the patches
and tell us how its done

cheers
Kev

Hi Turbo,
Which ones are by Yves Usson. I'm on the presets link but cant find Yves Usson?

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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2019, 05:42:51 pm »
https://www.arturia.com/stories/yves-usson

scroll down the page and look for the THE CREATORS NOTEBOOK

cheers
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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2019, 06:40:40 pm »

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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2019, 12:17:29 am »
 

At last the SECRET to ratchating on the MxB is revealed
on: March 30, 2019, 09:12:44 pm

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Modify
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check out this video if you wanna know how its done

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJATQNSkK6U&lc=z22pthqpczeecjeqg04t1aokgzu4mabzwuikzbby0q0mrk0h00410.1553973643497523&feature=em-comments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6vQ-5lnZDs

Thanks to yusynthman  for the video

cheers
Kev
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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2019, 06:28:14 pm »
While yusynthman is AMAZING (his last download set is all I have in my brute right now, this isn't the holy grail programming trick I think a lot of us are searching for.  Ideally, we want to ratchet on a single step of the sequencer...  am I right?

cheers!  Thanks yusynthman!!

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Re: Ratcheting?
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2019, 07:05:45 pm »
Yves is nothing less than the grandfather of the MatrixBrute! 8)

Yes, what we all want is proper ratcheting, with N subdivisions of a step. For each subdivision the envelopes must be triggered, just as for the undivided steps, and I suppose the gate length should scale to the subdivided steps.

I made a suggestion for the UI side implementation here (also some other sequencer improvements), with separate ratchet count per step:

 - Sequencer and MxArp: Ratcheting. Hold Step button and press 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 or 1/32 for 1,2,3 and 4 repeats. When the Step button is held the division LEDs could light or flash to indicate the current setting.

As always, head over to support and submit a feature request ticket if you'd like to see this.

 

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