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LBH

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Suggestion to have a algorithm table/ menu.
« on: December 12, 2017, 03:43:33 am »
I suggest to have an option to be able see all 32 algorithms at the same time in a single table/ menu, and to select a algorithm in that table/ menu.
It can be both annoying and time consuming to scroll/ tab thru the algorithms.

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Re: Suggestion to have a algorithm table/ menu.
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2017, 05:04:57 pm »
Good idea!

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Re: Suggestion to have a algorithm table/ menu.
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2017, 07:29:39 pm »
Maybe accompanied with an editor that allows you to create custom algorithms :o

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Re: Suggestion to have a algorithm table/ menu.
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2017, 10:06:26 pm »
Maybe accompanied with an editor that allows you to create custom algorithms :o
It can be good to keep things simple. But as an option i'm for it, even if it perhaps is limited to a number of algorithms a overview table/ menu can show. But with different table(s)/ menu(s) for custom algorithms to keep the original algorithms apart.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2017, 10:09:07 pm by LBH »

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Re: Suggestion to have a algorithm table/ menu.
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2017, 01:04:54 am »
Due to the feedback per Operator we already have some Algorithms that are virtually identical. Counting in the DX compatible monophonic LFOs, it would be nice to have at least additional routing abilities to be able to use Modulators as LFOs properly. If you want to keep it simple it doesn't have to be as free as on the FM8 or as elaborated as on the TG77, having the possibility for additional destinations per Modulator without changing the carrier/modulator relation of the algorithm should do for quite some purposes, that way the connections should stay pretty much overseeable.

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Re: Suggestion to have a algorithm table/ menu.
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2017, 05:33:25 pm »
I assume the current 32 algorithms is the original DX7 algoritms. They should be. I just wan't to keep those apart, so you know they are the authentic originals.

I do agree it's not that fleksible having fixed algorithms. And it's correct that they could have more variations.

I have NI FM8, and i would like DX7 V to be different. Also to add more value to Arturias version.

No matter what, then i'd like to be able to see a visual of the algorithms in a table/ menu. That's not possible in FM8s Matrix as it uses numbers and letters in the menu.

If the editor could be done so you could move around and draw connections in the current DX7 V algorithm windows and save that setting in the same visual manor, then it would be great.
I just want it to be done in a way, where the original algorithms is kept apart, and in a way where things is as simple and as visual as possible, even if it should become possible to make complex user algorithms. That's where my suggestion matter.

It's about creating a userfriendly application where you know what's from the original hardware synth.
Apart from that i wan't new features in all Arturias synths. But the sound shall be the sound of the originals as much as possible, and the original possibilities shall be possible. I don't mind GUI things is rearranged either, if that's better for some well thought reason. But in the orignals spirit as much as possible.



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Re: Suggestion to have a algorithm table/ menu.
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2017, 05:28:44 pm »
I assume the current 32 algorithms is the original DX7 algoritms. They should be. I just wan't to keep those apart, so you know they are the authentic originals.

It's necessary to keep the parameter compatibility, to make sure you can type in a sound manually.

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I do agree it's not that fleksible having fixed algorithms. And it's correct that they could have more variations.

It's sometimes a bit frustrating, having an idea that can't be realized due to the limitations.

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I have NI FM8, and i would like DX7 V to be different. Also to add more value to Arturias version.

I'm not even sure if it is possible to add a completely free FM Matrix without sacrificing a bit sound compatibility. The FM modulation Inputs are simply mixed together and I guess the original operator input mixer is having a certain resolution that has to be increased for a flexible matrix with up to 5 inputs per Operator, what probably influences the sound character. 

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No matter what, then i'd like to be able to see a visual of the algorithms in a table/ menu. That's not possible in FM8s Matrix as it uses numbers and letters in the menu.

When I create an FM8 sound I start from scratch and add a connection with every operator I add to the sound. But when it comes to modify a sound your haven't created yourself, the patch is probably easier to understand when working with fixed or less complex algorithms. But I guess I'm already too much into FM to understand what difficulties a "non expert" user could have.

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Re: Suggestion to have a algorithm table/ menu.
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2017, 06:35:08 pm »
When I create an FM8 sound I start from scratch and add a connection with every operator I add to the sound. But when it comes to modify a sound your haven't created yourself, the patch is probably easier to understand when working with fixed or less complex algorithms. But I guess I'm already too much into FM to understand what difficulties a "non expert" user could have.
I know that. I do that too. But as my FR that this thread is about a table/ menu, then the FM menu is best to compare with.
The idea is to have an image with the availble created algorithms.

And then i add this to make connections your self in DX7 V:
If the editor could be done so you could move around and draw connections in the current DX7 V algorithm windows and save that setting in the same visual manor, then it would be great.
I just want it to be done in a way, where the original algorithms is kept apart, and in a way where things is as simple and as visual as possible, even if it should become possible to make complex user algorithms. That's where my suggestion matter.

It's about creating a userfriendly application  ..........
I know you in FM8s Matrix can control parameters too. I use FM8 that way. But DX7 V is'nt FM8. And it should imho not be so.
Do you wan't a Matrix like FM8 in DX7 V? There could be one, but i still think avaible algorithms should be seen as images in a table/ menu like my suggestion is about to create this thread.

Are you saying you in DX7 V don't wan't avaible algoritms to be shown as images in a table/ menu like i suggest?
What's your point?

And in addition - How would you like the editor you suggest to look like and be implemented in DX7 V and it's visual and functional user design as it's created?
Do you wan't a whole different DX7 V design? I don't.


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Perhaps you have not understood my suggestion.
What i suggest is to be able to pick a algorithm from a table/ menu, just like when you for example click on the wave, then you get a table/ menu up where you can see all the waveforms at the same time and then pick one to use.

My suggestion is not a suggestion to only have pre fabricated algorithms. I just suggest to be able to have a overview/ menu of many algorithms at a time to pick one to use from.

You can have multiple named menus to choose algorithms from, if you have many algorithms. And that could be algorithms you have created yourself as well. But one menu i wan't to keep only having the original algorithms to choose from.

The way DX7 V picture the algorithm in the algorithm window is how the picture should be shown in the menu, and in the algorithm window, when you pick one to work with.

I would prefere the algorithm look the same in an editor, no matter how much functionality that editor will have.
In a way i don't mind it have FM8s functionality, but in a DX7 V way. If you can build your user algorithms on a graphical editor, that look like the algorithm display DX7 vs already have, then you could have all relevant parameters in that editor too for that matter, but keeping an image also to be saved in menus. Those menu you then can access from both the editor and from the frontpanel Algorithm display/ selector, while keeping this displays current functionality too. Functionality like stepping thru a selected menus algorithms. But you will also have the possibility to see all the algorithms in a menu at the same time to pick one from, so you don't have to step thru them in the blind. The same functionality could and should be in an editor.

Are you against this? what is it you wan't, that i don't?
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« Last Edit: December 17, 2017, 08:55:55 pm by LBH »

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Re: Suggestion to have a algorithm table/ menu.
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2017, 09:15:47 pm »
No, I'm not against an algorithm selector, but one should take possible expansion into account when creating it. Sorry for attaching my wish to your suggestion.

It sure would be nice to have a completely free alike algorithm creator, that will be saved per Sound if you choose lets say the free algorithm choice. On the other hand the additions the Yamaha TG77 makes (excluding the 3 feedbacks, since we already have feedback per Operator) when it comes to configureable connections to its algorithms would already help alot and I don't know how much inputs are possible without (in case its) harming the classic DX7 sound of the DX7 V, the TG77 for instance allows two inputs per Operator only.

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Re: Suggestion to have a algorithm table/ menu.
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2017, 10:30:30 pm »
Somehow i also think my menu suggestion for selecting algorithms is a part of an editor suggestion, because the editor shall match the menu. And i'm for a editor too.
It's about how to implement it all to work together in a DX7 V manor.
The complexcity of the editor don't even matter for this, as long as it can be implemented with the multi picture menu that i suggest or similar.

Make even complex things as simple as possible. That's the point. Overview of multiple algorithms is a part of this. And it's also a help for faster workflow. This encourage to use the/ a synth.

Let's hope Arturia follow up on both a algorithm table/ menu selector that use pictures to show the algorithms - and a algorithm editor of some kind to create user algorithms and add sound design possibilities.


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Re: Suggestion to have a algorithm table/ menu.
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2017, 02:11:59 pm »
Hi,

LBH, I logged your idea as feature request. I think it could be nice to have it.

Regards,

Matthieu

 

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