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ottsonic

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Swing function not working as expected.
« on: January 06, 2015, 10:27:20 pm »
So I input a sequence of 16th notes and play it back by hitting a key - so far so good.

Then I want it to swing so I try applying the 'swing' knob.

I discover that:

Position 1: = no swing.
Position 2: = no swing.
Position 3: = some swing.
Position 4: = the same amount of swing as at Position 3.

Does anybody else notice this or is it just my one?

I have updated to latest firmware and everything else seems to work as expected.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2015, 10:17:04 pm »
Hi i just had a look and it does seem that way . in the manual it says it starts with a swing of 50% up to 75% at number 4. ill ask the team at arturia see what they say .

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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2015, 10:46:50 pm »
Yes! Here too  I don't notice anything being swung from the first two positions whilst the 3rd and 4th positions do seem to be the same amount of swing!?

hmmm, very strange.  I am also on the latest frimware and update.




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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2015, 06:58:21 pm »
Hi i got an email and tried what they said by putting metronome on 100bpm  and synced the mini brute to my daw . made a one note sequence and played it against the click 1. seems to be in sync 2. is a little out which i was told is 25% swing next its 50% and forth is 75%.
so i think it ok but you cannot hear the first and fourth that well as they swing really near the beat.


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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2015, 03:39:01 pm »
Thanks Terrym,

I can confirm that this is indeed the case. Very subtle change.

Shame the swing is not continously variable, oh well, still a fantastic synth ;D

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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2015, 09:23:13 am »
Hi i got an email and tried what they said by putting metronome on 100bpm  and synced the mini brute to my daw . made a one note sequence and played it against the click 1. seems to be in sync 2. is a little out which i was told is 25% swing next its 50% and forth is 75%.
so i think it ok but you cannot hear the first and fourth that well as they swing really near the beat.


I can confirm that is definitely not the case with my machine.

I did as you described and recorded the MiniBrute sequencer playing a short pulse of noise which I recorded into my DAW and sliced according to transient detection.

The results were exactly as I described:

Position 1 - hard 16ths.
Position 2 - hard 16ths.
Position 3 - 22 tick swing on 2nd 16th note.
Position 4 - 21 tick swing on 2nd 16th note.

Position 1 and 2 are zero swing - position 3 and 4 are approximately 21 - 22 ticks swing. The one tick discrepancy is negligible.

I would be interested to know if it is just my machine which is faulty or whether it is a design fault. If anyone feels like repeating my measurements I'd be obliged.

I submitted a support ticket on 06/01/2015 but have had no response.

Screengrabs attached.


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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2015, 02:07:06 pm »
Ok its seems you can see the swing if you set the sequencer to 1/4 note in the brute connection software i then set it to be synced in cubase  .i could see differences in all four swing setting in 1/4 note  at 100bpm . i have asked the arturia team to see if 1/16 note swing could be improved .

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Update: have an email from the team andTheres no plans to improve swing in the near future.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2015, 04:51:06 pm by terrym »
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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2015, 02:49:55 pm »
Hi terrym,

I cannot find any way to start a new post so I am forced to tag on the end of this one!

Is it normal for the LFO AMP knob to give a scratchy/static sound when adjusting it?

It is most noticable close to the "+" and "-" ends and sounds like an old or dirty pot sound rather than a pop or click from an envelope!

Any advice much appreciated ;D

Regards Chi

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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2015, 04:36:03 pm »

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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2015, 05:01:01 pm »
Ok its seems you can see the swing if you set the sequencer to 1/4 note in the brute connection software i then set it to be synced in cubase  .i could see differences in all four swing setting in 1/4 note  at 100bpm . i have asked the arturia team to see if 1/16 note swing could be improved .

I just tested that out and it appears you're right.

The swing function, when the sequencer is set to 16ths, is broken.

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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2015, 05:04:56 pm »
Update: have an email from the team andTheres no plans to improve swing in the near future.

I'll just have to live with it then.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 08:28:50 pm by ottsonic »

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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2015, 05:10:15 pm »
Hi , its not broken but is very subtle when used in 1/16 . in 1/4 you can see it more .maybe try 1/16 in 70bpm to see the difference.




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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2015, 05:21:04 pm »
Hi , its not broken but is very subtle when used in 1/16 . in 1/4 you can see it more .maybe try 1/16 in 70bpm to see the difference.



It is most definitely broken. In 16th note sequencer mode, the swing function effectively has two settings - on or off. The tempo is irrelevant.

I rather hoped it was something that could be fixed as a firmware update but I'm guessing from your previous response that a simple fix is not possible.



« Last Edit: January 29, 2015, 08:30:28 pm by ottsonic »

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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2015, 06:03:14 pm »
Perhaps it is just your MB ottsonic,

The swing at 16ths is subtle but it does change at each value on mine!


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Re: Swing function not working as expected.
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2015, 06:05:44 pm »
Perhaps it is just your MB ottsonic,

The swing at 16ths is subtle but it does change at each value on mine!

Have you measured it or are you just trusting your perception?

It could well be just mine, which was why I asked if anyone would be willing to actually measure it as I did.

Then we'll know. Saying it is 'subtle' is too vague to be useful.

 

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