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Software Instruments => V-Collection => V Collection 9 - General Discussions => Topic started by: mrpingu on December 06, 2017, 06:08:05 pm
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Is it just me, or does $199 seem way too much for loyal customers to pay for the latest upgrade? $99 would seem like a much more sane price.
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I agree.
I understand they have to make money, but I just bought V5 (my first Arturia product) two weeks ago.
If I had known V6 was 2 weeks away from release, I would have waited and gone straight to V6, saving $199.
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I agree.
I understand they have to make money, but I just bought V5 (my first Arturia product) two weeks ago.
If I had known V6 was 2 weeks away from release, I would have waited and gone straight to V6, saving $199.
Hi not sure but there may be a chance if you bought vcol within 5 week you can get a free upgrade but don't quote me on that. just something I heard.
Terrym
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There's another post (https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=91755.0) in which Matthieu from Arturia suggested contacting sales@arturia.com to discuss this particular situation.
That thread seems to be locked now. I haven't heard back from Matthieu since sending them an email (it was probably after their working hours by the time I send it).
But when I go to my "cart" in the "My Arturia" section of their website, it appears that they have offered me VC6 for $399, and then applied a discount of $249, which brings the total to $150. (EDIT: previously I had posted that I thought the total was $0, but that was not correct and was due to my misreading the page on a small iPhone screen)
I haven't actually finalized the purchase yet, since I would prefer to do it on my home/music computer rather than on my work computer.
But at first glance, it appears that perhaps they are doing their best to make this right. For all I know, perhaps that offer has been in my cart since before I posted here, and this has just been a communication error on their part. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, given that I have had no prior negative experiences with Arturia and they appear to be doing the right thing in this case.
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On a general note, now that I've had time to go through the presets of the new models that are in "Analog" Lab 3 (getting less analog every time) I'm a bit more positive about VC6.
The Clavinet V is just a clavinet - OK if you need it but pretty much the same as all the other clavinets you've already got. Piano V2 seems to be a big improvement - but you could argue it's only what it should have been in the first place. The DX7V is actually a bit of a revelation - it's doesn't seem as harsh as the real thing and should have a wealth of varied presets available if it takes DX7 sysex. The CMI V can actually take user samples and do a lot with them - two things worry me, though: can it do anything that isn't lo-fi (like the 8-bit original sounds) and will I spend forever just messing about with samples? Also it looks like the reason we never got sample import in Synclavier V was that it would have taken away the attraction of CMI V.
The Buchla Easel V is probably the biggest attraction for me. It gives all the weirdness and more I was hoping for from a VCS3/AKS/Synthi emulation. I have been doing some odd stuff - Space Rock and sound effects - which the easel would be well-suited to doing. I tend to go to Modular V at the moment, despite its faults - which are much less than the real thing, I imagine. Modular V and 2600V seem very logical to me, having been brought up on analogue synths, so the Easel might inspire me to work in different ways.
Don't get me wrong - I still think 199 is a bit steep for loyal customers who have put up with unresolved bugs while these new models were being developed
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Agree with all. $199 is too high for loyal customers. Serious barrier for jumping to V6. Love Arturia products but hard to justify.
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Personally i'll be sitting this one out as the upgrade price is just too much, i'd pay half as many other posters have suggested, so someone else will be getting my money instead! ::)
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Agree with all. $199 is too high for loyal customers. Serious barrier for jumping to V6. Love Arturia products but hard to justify.
Agreed! Another loyal customer chiming in, but I'll sit and wait till a good promo comes along.
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I just did the upgrade from 5 to 6. Didn't do a test drive yet, but will give it a go right after this post.
My first version of the V Collection was 3. So you can say Arturia made quite a buck on me.
But I can't afford a Buchla Easel, since it costs around or over 5000,-.
Now I can experience this work of art virtually for the price of the upgrade to 6,
and get the Clavinet, the CMI, and the DX7 plus improvements on most of the synths/organs in V5 in the process for a couple of hundreds of euros.
Look, I'm not trying to argue about the price for the upgrade, it is steep for what you get if you're only interested in a couple of V synths.
You can still buy them separately, at a relatively higher cost, if you want only a couple of them. I bought the Buchla separately before realizing there was a V6, had some problem activating which they did resolve quickly, and still did the upgrade regardless, because the Easle is so versatile, and they even added more options to it than the hardware will allow.
I for one want to keep supporting them, and they listen to their user base. Sometimes quick solutions are not at hand for individual needs, and addressing each and every whim is a problematic for some users, but they seem to be on the right path to improve their stuff.
I long for MPE-support in the standalone version for my Roli Seaboard Rise, and would love to see a V Arturia Matrix (not a classic yet, but analog) :D
Will I demand it from them? No, I can only ask, but they do the stuff they think is achievable . But they do improve, because they depend on believers like me, perhaps.
And the more believers invest, the better they get at delivering good synths, not only in software, but also in hardware.
I'll probably get flaming for posting this. Flame what you will. I stand by my case.
They make wonderful stuff, and I appreciate their efforts to give me the chance to explore synths that would otherwise be unaffordable, or frankly, unobtainable.
Now if you don't mind, I got some noodling to do ;D
cheers
Peter
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One can only assume that Arturia don't want it's loyal customers to buy any upgrades. 50% of the retail price is totally unrealistic for an 1 version number upgrade. This only benefits the software pirates. I haven't seen any pirated v6 yet, but pirated copies of v5 appeared all over Google in days of it's release.
Arturia did the same pricing mistake then, so I'd guess I'd have to wait 4-6 months this time aswell. There's only looser with this pricing policy. We don't get access to the new instruments and Arturia lose money by not selling them. I hope everyone tell Aruria that we're not satisfied by this absurd pricing policy, by holding of any purchases until they offer a realistic price (99).
See you, Arturia, when you get your pricing policy act together.
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Just saw that the first thread with comments on Arturias upgrade price policy was silently closed. Is censorship of inconvenient topics your "next level" of squeezing loyal customers, Arturia???
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One can only assume that Arturia don't want it's loyal customers to buy any upgrades. 50% of the retail price is totally unrealistic for an 1 version number upgrade. This only benefits the software pirates. I haven't seen any pirated v6 yet, but pirated copies of v5 appeared all over Google in days of it's release.
Arturia did the same pricing mistake then, so I'd guess I'd have to wait 4-6 months this time aswell. There's only looser with this pricing policy. We don't get access to the new instruments and Arturia lose money by not selling them. I hope everyone tell Aruria that we're not satisfied by this absurd pricing policy, by holding of any purchases until they offer a realistic price (€99).
See you, Arturia, when you get your pricing policy act together.
Hi Svenne,
I agree and I disagree.
It's a pretty big update considering the time it needs to download. A lot of work has gone into these lines of code, much more than going from V3 to V4 or probably V4 to V5 which was pretty much major. V6 is not finished and will be updated, I assume.
But please don't advocate piracy because of Arturia's pricing policy.
An increase in price half of that, to €150,- would have been fairer IMHO for loyal customers, but you can't blame them for trying to compensate for the development costs, let alone the licencing costs for recreating the synths. They were a group of enthousiasts once, they are a company now. Therefore they need the revenue to keep developing.
If you want to see a price change, wait for a sale, and lobby for a price change, like you are doing now.
If you want to pirate this update, you are on an ilegal path, plus you're enticing Arturia into buying or developing more anti-piracy measures instead of developing better products, which comes at extra costs.
Guess who is going to pay that bill.
Best regards
Peter
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Just saw that the first thread with comments on Arturias upgrade price policy was silently closed. Is censorship of inconvenient topics your "next level" of squeezing loyal customers, Arturia???
Missed the thread, curious about it. Can mods explain why it was removed?
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An increase in price half of that, to 150,- would have been fairer IMHO for loyal customers, but you can't blame them for trying to compensate for the development costs, let alone the licencing costs for recreating the synths. They were a group of enthousiasts once, they are a company now. Therefore they need the revenue to keep developing.
If you want to see a price change, wait for a sale, and lobby for a price change, like you are doing now.
If you want to pirate this update, you are on an ilegal path, plus you're enticing Arturia into buying or developing more anti-piracy measures instead of developing better products, which comes at extra costs.
From a marketeers point of view i must disagree. The idea behind such a collection can't be to reinvent the wheel of updates (aka "software lifecycle") with permanent growing update prices, even with a permanent cost increase. Where should it end? Getting 45 synths/keys for 950 bucks in 2019?? Ok, with 20 remaining customers it could get difficult for the investors...
Going back to smaller collections (each with different requirements) and single synths as the low end of product pricing would be a much fairer approach for such high level pro music products.
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Missed the thread, curious about it. Can mods explain why it was removed?
It's still there (https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=91755.0), but it's closed by moderation for new posts or answers. Why?
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But please don't advocate piracy because of Arturia's pricing policy.
Please respect your fellow members on this forum, and refrain from false accusations. I have in no way or form advocated software piracy. I just stated that it exists! It is common knowledge that unrealistic pricing is a strong driving force behind software piracy. Had I advocated it, I wouldn't have stated that I will wait until Arturia asks for a reasonable price.
Do you really want a world where a customer aren't allowed to express dissatisfaction with a company or product, without being unfairly attacked?
You say that you consider 50% of the retail price (rp) to be a reasonable price for an upgrade. If you make a little research you'll find that the vast majority of software vendors charge between 20-30% of the rp. If we take the middle ground and assume that 199 is 25% of the rp, then Arturia would have to raise the rp to 796. Do you think that anyone would pay that for V Collection v6?
If you want to see a price change, wait for a sale, and lobby for a price change, like you are doing now.
Why? Why shouldn't I, and other customers, be allowed to voice our dissatisfaction with Arturias unrealistic pricing policy. Complaints are the only thing that may make them change their minds. That's how the world works.
If you want to pirate this update, you are on an ilegal path, plus you're enticing Arturia into buying or developing more anti-piracy measures instead of developing better products, which comes at extra costs.
Guess who is going to pay that bill.
One again, stop spreading false accusations! I don't know what copy protection has to do with it, but you may be right. Let's look at some history. When v4 was updated to V5 Arturia switched from a strong copy protection "eLicencer" to a weak one ASC. The proof? You hardly ever see eLicencer protected software pirated. Google is riddled with links to pirated ARC protected software, within days of it's release.
As I've said. You may very well be right (in a way). At same time that Arturia switched copy protection system, they also doubled the upgrade price, from 99 to 199 (without raising the rp). So it appears that it's the loyal customers that has to "foot the bill", for the adoption of an inferior copy protection system.
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I think the biggest barrier to buying the upgrade (for me) is that, apart from PianoV, they are all at version 1. Look at the bugs, for example, Matrix12V version 1, still has - like the horrible noise it makes switching presets.
In my opinion Arturia are too focused on adding feature lists to get new sales than on improving functionality to get a good reputation, retain customers and improve their long-term sales.
I hate to say it, particularly as I love Modular V SO MUCH, but collection 6 might be their last if they keep on screwing over loyal customers
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Missed the thread, curious about it. Can mods explain why it was removed?
It's still there (https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=91755.0 (https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=91755.0)), but it's closed by moderation for new posts or answers. Why?
Saw that thread as well and wanted to reply there but it's locked with no notice from Arturia that it was locked. $199US for this upgrade? You have got to be joking Arturia. I'll wait until both the price comes down and the bugs get fixed.
Wonder how long before this thread gets locked as well?
edit for additional - two other threads talking about the upgrade price have also been locked. This one: https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=91763.0 (https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=91763.0)
and this one: https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=91761.0 (https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=91761.0)
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I think the biggest barrier to buying the upgrade (for me) is that, apart from PianoV, they are all at version 1. Look at the bugs, for example, Matrix12V version 1, still has - like the horrible noise it makes switching presets.
In my opinion Arturia are too focused on adding feature lists to get new sales than on improving functionality to get a good reputation, retain customers and improve their long-term sales.
I hate to say it, particularly as I love Modular V SO MUCH, but collection 6 might be their last if they keep on screwing over loyal customers
How about the new bugs introduced with the existing synth updates? Jup-8 misses the lower part of the keyboard and controls on the left of the keyboard until you open the top of the synth. Also the Rhodes and Wurli pianos don't see my MIDI interface while every other synth in the Arturia line-up does? Thankfully I have the previous installers to overwrite this mess.
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The thing I was most disappointed about is V Collection 5 owners don't get Piano V2. I realize Arturia rely on us buying this stuff in order to pay wages to their developers to make new stuff, and on it goes...but expecting us pay for basically an incremental upgrade to an existing VST is a bit naughty. It's hardly a ground-up re-write, compared to VC4 and VC5
Highly suspect they will be very disappointed by how little interest V6 gets from existing customers over the festive period. I will wait for the inevitable Spring / Summer special offer when the whole chebang will no doubt get dropped in price to 299 and VC5 owners will be offered a 99 upgrade.
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The thing I was most disappointed about is V Collection 5 owners don't get Piano V2. I realize Arturia rely on us buying this stuff in order to pay wages to their developers to make new stuff, and on it goes...but expecting us pay for basically an incremental upgrade to an existing VST is a bit naughty. It's hardly a ground-up re-write, compared to VC4 and VC5
Highly suspect they will be very disappointed by how little interest V6 gets from existing customers over the festive period. I will wait for the inevitable Spring / Summer special offer when the whole chebang will no doubt get dropped in price to 299 and VC5 owners will be offered a 99 upgrade.
I'm not surprised we didn't get Piano V2 as that's essentially a new instrument the way other instruments went from V2 to V3 when VC5 dropped. VC4 users didn't get the new V3 instruments without paying. Actually if the new pianos are anything like what's in Analog Lab 3 then as far as I'm concerned - they still suck lemons :P
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On a general note, now that I've had time to go through the presets of the new models that are in "Analog" Lab 3 (getting less analog every time) I'm a bit more positive about VC6.
The Clavinet V is just a clavinet - OK if you need it but pretty much the same as all the other clavinets you've already got. Piano V2 seems to be a big improvement - but you could argue it's only what it should have been in the first place. The DX7V is actually a bit of a revelation - it's doesn't seem as harsh as the real thing and should have a wealth of varied presets available if it takes DX7 sysex. The CMI V can actually take user samples and do a lot with them - two things worry me, though: can it do anything that isn't lo-fi (like the 8-bit original sounds) and will I spend forever just messing about with samples? Also it looks like the reason we never got sample import in Synclavier V was that it would have taken away the attraction of CMI V.
The Buchla Easel V is probably the biggest attraction for me. It gives all the weirdness and more I was hoping for from a VCS3/AKS/Synthi emulation. I have been doing some odd stuff - Space Rock and sound effects - which the easel would be well-suited to doing. I tend to go to Modular V at the moment, despite its faults - which are much less than the real thing, I imagine. Modular V and 2600V seem very logical to me, having been brought up on analogue synths, so the Easel might inspire me to work in different ways.
Don't get me wrong - I still think 199 is a bit steep for loyal customers who have put up with unresolved bugs while these new models were being developed
It seems like the DX7 is a lot easier to get around on then FM8 from NI, at least from what I can see in the YouTube videos. I had an original DX7-IID so am very familiar with the interface and what it could do and it seems like the Arturia one is in that same vein.
Was excited when I saw the CMI - came out about the same time the Synclavier did. Disappointed that from what you write that there's only lo-fi sounds. You also hit on a sore point with me and a few others about the Synclavier - no ability to import your own samples (aka resynthesis). I don't see how having that feature in the Synclavier would take away from the CMI - why can't both synths truly emulate the real thing? Arturia has no apparent roadmap to ever doing resynthesis in the Synclavier.
And that price - :P :P :P VC5 has been on sale the last few months at $250US and now they want another $199 for the VC6 upgrade? Nuts.
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I'm not surprised we didn't get Piano V2 as that's essentially a new instrument the way other instruments went from V2 to V3 when VC5 dropped. VC4 users didn't get the new V3 instruments without paying. Actually if the new pianos are anything like what's in Analog Lab 3 then as far as I'm concerned - they still suck lemons :P
VC4 to VC5 was clearly a big re-write. I didn't expect to get that for free. Piano V2 seems like an incremental upgrade to me: I see new presets and the interface has changed slightly, however it's basically the same instrument. But tagging it as 'V2' allows them to promote it as a new instrument and charge punters separately for it. But I'm not buying that, neither figuratively nor literally.
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Disappointed that from what you write that there's only lo-fi sounds.
I have to admit I'm wrong there. I've looked at the manual and it does say it will work up to 16-bit. I was just worried on hearing the original presets.
Overall, though, it comes over as a not-very-good sampler. There is nothing in the manual that suggests there are any tools to help you get inaudible loop points - and the original presets again suggest not. The resynthesis may be the way to go but I'll have to wait for someone who has it to comment
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Overall, though, it comes over as a not-very-good sampler. There is nothing in the manual that suggests there are any tools to help you get inaudible loop points - and the original presets again suggest not. The resynthesis may be the way to go but I'll have to wait for someone who has it to comment
It's a recreation of a 40 year old sampler that couldn't do the things you expect the VST to now do. There are a thousand ways to do what you want with other third-party VSTs and with tools already built into most decent DAWs, this is supposed to a replication of a CMI, eccentricities included. Give them at least a bit of a break.
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Overall, though, it comes over as a not-very-good sampler. There is nothing in the manual that suggests there are any tools to help you get inaudible loop points - and the original presets again suggest not. The resynthesis may be the way to go but I'll have to wait for someone who has it to comment
It's a recreation of a 40 year old sampler that couldn't do the things you expect the VST to now do. There are a thousand ways to do what you want with other third-party VSTs and with tools already built into most decent DAWs, this is supposed to a replication of a CMI, eccentricities included. Give them at least a bit of a break.
This CMI is NOT a replica of the original; close but not quite there. Just the way the Synclavier is close but not quite there either.
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Which points make you think the CMI V is NOT a good replica ?
Synclavier engine has been written with the original programmer so it can't be so far of the original. The engine is fine but this is Synclavier V and not Synclavier II, 6400 or other.
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Which points make you think the CMI V is NOT a good replica ?
Synclavier engine has been written with the original programmer so it can't be so far of the original. The engine is fine but this is Synclavier V and not Synclavier II, 6400 or other.
At the risk of this devolving into a bash at the Synclavier and not the CMI - here goes - Synclavier had resampling/resynthesis and the one Arturia does does NOT have that. I call that not a replica but a faint echo of the original.
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Not all Synclavier versions had resynthesis. We also add more partial, voices... than other Synclavier versions so I'm not sure calling it "faint echo" is the right word. We know that Synclavier resynthesis is a wanted feature but it is not as simple to implement.
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Not all Synclavier versions had resynthesis. We also add more partial, voices... than other Synclavier versions so I'm not sure calling it "faint echo" is the right word. We know that Synclavier resynthesis is a wanted feature but it is not as simple to implement.
'Not as simple to implement' I take that as it's not going to happen which is a shame. Those words are also a poor excuse for not getting it done. Seems like Arturia is picking and choosing what features to implement rather than giving us a true emulation of the instrument based on their programming ability (or inability).
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When V-Collection 5 was rolled out, I believe that existing customers received 5 new synths, PLUS a MAJOR overhaul to the GUI on all prior products for $200. My opinion is that customers got a lot more bang for our buck back then. It's very disappointing that Arturia is not listening to their customer base on this issue.
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Overall, though, it comes over as a not-very-good sampler. There is nothing in the manual that suggests there are any tools to help you get inaudible loop points - and the original presets again suggest not. The resynthesis may be the way to go but I'll have to wait for someone who has it to comment
It's a recreation of a 40 year old sampler that couldn't do the things you expect the VST to now do. There are a thousand ways to do what you want with other third-party VSTs and with tools already built into most decent DAWs, this is supposed to a replication of a CMI, eccentricities included. Give them at least a bit of a break.
I absolutely agree. I don't want to belittle what Arturia's engineers have achieved. All I am saying is that, for me, the CMI V is not attractive because of all the instruments which have bettered the CMI since it was in fashion.
By contrast the MInimoog has never really been surpassed, has a sound and playing style of its own and, for me, is a worthy candidate for creating a virtual replica. Arturia have done exactly that AND expanded its capabilities in innovative and appropriate ways. The Piano V 2 is another excellent example of how they've focused on improving an existing virtual model.
In my opinion I would have preferred Arturia to put their energy into improving their existing virtual instruments or bringing us new recreations of instruments which give us something different. The Buchla Easel V, for instance, is brilliant and exactly what I would have hoped for. It makes you look at synthesis in a different way - and in a way which doesn't takes a long time. The DX7 is also a good choice because of the original's huge popularity and the enormous sound catalogue available. Here, I think, Arturia have done the right thing with their ergonomic improvements.
I think there is a problem with recreating digital instruments ("Analog" Lab 3?). I would like to see them focus on instruments which are quirky and different from the herd but haven't been improved upon already. I don't see much point in recreating most romplers, like the Korg M1, for example (even though Korg have!). The distinctive sounds of the M1 are available as samples AND on most of Korg's newer rompler workstations. The Korg Wavestation, however, is distinctive and different from the herd and is crying out for ergonomic improvements. Korg do a virtual Wavestation already so it's an odd example perhaps (though it could be improved.
If Arturia are to continue emulating digital instruments I'd like to see things like the Wavestation (which was hugely popular in movie music, distinctive and different) or the Technics WSA-1 (which wasn't popular but was distinctive, gave a fresh approach to acoustic modelling and was relatively easy to program new sounds).
Just my thoughts
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I learned that the upgrade offer from Analog Lab 3 is $250. I have registered three different Arturia controllers, including the Keylab 88, and Collection V V5 but my upgrade offer is $199. That feels like more than a slap in the face TBH.
The only new instrument that interests me greatly is the Easel. I would probably explore the DX-7 interface to see if it gives me warm fuzzies compared with Blue 2, FM-8, Falcon, Operator, Sytrus, ...
I guess that I would pay $99 for an upgrade. I am waiting to see if there is an upgrade offer that is better at a later time.
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Overall, though, it comes over as a not-very-good sampler. There is nothing in the manual that suggests there are any tools to help you get inaudible loop points - and the original presets again suggest not. The resynthesis may be the way to go but I'll have to wait for someone who has it to comment
It's a recreation of a 40 year old sampler that couldn't do the things you expect the VST to now do. There are a thousand ways to do what you want with other third-party VSTs and with tools already built into most decent DAWs, this is supposed to a replication of a CMI, eccentricities included. Give them at least a bit of a break.
I absolutely agree. I don't want to belittle what Arturia's engineers have achieved. All I am saying is that, for me, the CMI V is not attractive because of all the instruments which have bettered the CMI since it was in fashion.
I agree that the CMI was an odd choice. Maybe there is a market for an emulation among producers trying to recreate the sound of records from the 1980's or just be nostalgic. I am an engineer myself, though in consumer electronics (not musical instruments) and it is definitely possible to get side-tracked into a project that is challenging and cool but not of high market value.
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I was an electronics design engineer and later a software engineer then a software project manager so I understand the idea of getting side-tracked all too well!
Thinking about it a bit more if the V-Collection is about quirky and desirable old synths I guess the Fairlight is a quirky sampler with a recognizable and evocative sound so it makes sense that way. But other than doing covers of eighties classics is it something you'd want to use now?
When I was looking forward to the VC6 coming out I was thinking more of, say, a VCS3, an ARP Odyssey, A Mellotron and a Yamaha VL-1 or Korg Wavestation. Plus improvements to some existing models (especially Piano V). But those are just my hang-ups
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There are some progressive rock groups that make excellent use of older sounds. The group "IQ" comes to mind. On both of their last releases ("Frequencies" and "Road of Bones") I hear Mellotron and vintage sampler-style sounds as well as vintage drum machine sounds and classic Quadra leads. I have no idea if the recordings were made using vintage instruments, but videos of the band do not show any old things on stage.
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I was an electronics design engineer and later a software engineer then a software project manager so I understand the idea of getting side-tracked all too well!
Thinking about it a bit more if the V-Collection is about quirky and desirable old synths I guess the Fairlight is a quirky sampler with a recognizable and evocative sound so it makes sense that way. But other than doing covers of eighties classics is it something you'd want to use now?
When I was looking forward to the VC6 coming out I was thinking more of, say, a VCS3, an ARP Odyssey, A Mellotron and a Yamaha VL-1 or Korg Wavestation. Plus improvements to some existing models (especially Piano V). But those are just my hang-ups
Just because it's an older synth doesn't mean it can't be used in more modern music. Pigeon-holing a synth is dangerous. I'd love to have access once again to a CMI just like having a Synclavier. Also these old synths get used a lot in movies these days.
The Odyssey has already been done quite well in s/w as has the Mellotron. There are a bunch of synths that cover wavetable synthesis. Turning your words against you - are these anything you'd want to use in your music these days?
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The DX7 is also a good choice because of the original's huge popularity and the enormous sound catalogue available. Here, I think, Arturia have done the right thing with their ergonomic improvements.
I beg to differ. One strength with Arturias instruments is that they stay true to the originals interface and feature set. Most "improvements" and features that were not present in the original instruments are "tucked away". Arturia has not followed this design philosophy with DX7 V. Unless you are very familiar with the original instrument, it is virtually impossible to discern what is original DX7 features and what is "enhanced" DX700 (as Glen Darcey called it in the promo video tutorial) features.
I would have preferred that Arturia had stayed with their proven design philosophy. If anything, it would have been useful to see a dual-instrument (as with Prophet V) including both the DX7 and the DX7II. I think that there was enough of difference in sound quality and features to warrant this.
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Just because it's an older synth doesn't mean it can't be used in more modern music. Pigeon-holing a synth is dangerous. I'd love to have access once again to a CMI just like having a Synclavier. Also these old synths get used a lot in movies these days.
The Odyssey has already been done quite well in s/w as has the Mellotron. There are a bunch of synths that cover wavetable synthesis. Turning your words against you - are these anything you'd want to use in your music these days?
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I wasn't "against" anyone using old synths, I am a Virtual Collection owner, after all! I was just asking, specifically of the CMI, if there are people here who would use it in new compositions rather than cover versions. If so why would they choose the CMI rather than a more advanced, capable and ergonomic sampler. I'm wondering if I'm missing a point. As I see it I could use a better sampler to creatively make lo-fi, possibly badly looped, samples. Is there something more that the CMI offers? Is it actually a synth and not just a sampler (apart from an unwieldy stab at additive synthesis)?
I realise the same could be said of the Mellotron - a proto-sampler - but I'd be happy with a good set of Mellotron samples (if anyone knows where to get some).
As for the Odyssey being done before I think you'll find the Minimoog has been done before :) . The point is more about having it as part of the VC suite AND with Atruria enhancements (preferably on separate pages).
As for what I use in the music I'm making now - clearly I am using Arturia's VC suite so I'm not averse to using old synths where they offer something specific. I also have a couple of wavetable synth VSTs but I don't think they are as good, creatively, as the Wavestation and not much better ergonomically
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I beg to differ. One strength with Arturias instruments is that they stay true to the originals interface and feature set. Most "improvements" and features that were not present in the original instruments are "tucked away". Arturia has not followed this design philosophy with DX7 V. Unless you are very familiar with the original instrument, it is virtually impossible to discern what is original DX7 features and what is "enhanced" DX700 (as Glen Darcey called it in the promo video tutorial) features.
I would have preferred that Arturia had stayed with their proven design philosophy. If anything, it would have been useful to see a dual-instrument (as with Prophet V) including both the DX7 and the DX7II. I think that there was enough of difference in sound quality and features to warrant this.
It does seem an odd departure but the DX7 didn't have the "knob-per-function" front-panel of an analogue synth. Both in working principles and ergonomics it was very different. The ergonomics of editing were a bloody nightmare. I think I made one cello sound that I was happy with and edited a bunch of others but after a while the effort was too much. If Arturia have completely changed the front-panel to make it easier to use I, for one, won't complain
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I beg to differ. One strength with Arturias instruments is that they stay true to the originals interface and feature set. Most "improvements" and features that were not present in the original instruments are "tucked away". Arturia has not followed this design philosophy with DX7 V. Unless you are very familiar with the original instrument, it is virtually impossible to discern what is original DX7 features and what is "enhanced" DX700 (as Glen Darcey called it in the promo video tutorial) features.
I would have preferred that Arturia had stayed with their proven design philosophy. If anything, it would have been useful to see a dual-instrument (as with Prophet V) including both the DX7 and the DX7II. I think that there was enough of difference in sound quality and features to warrant this.
It does seem an odd departure but the DX7 didn't have the "knob-per-function" front-panel of an analogue synth. Both in working principles and ergonomics it was very different. The ergonomics of editing were a bloody nightmare. I think I made one cello sound that I was happy with and edited a bunch of others but after a while the effort was too much. If Arturia have completely changed the front-panel to make it easier to use I, for one, won't complain
I'm not complaining about the fact that Arturia has implemented "extra features". It's how they have chosen to display them that bothers me. For example; they have included an Arpeggiator on the main interface page, added extra waveforms on the Overview page, added a filter on the Overview page, etc. I don't mind that they have included all these "improvements", but neither the DX7 or DX7II had these. So, the DX7 V is not a DX7 emulator (it's actually much more). Compare this to how the extra features are added to Arturia's other instruments. Take the Yamaha CS-80 V as an example. It also has lots of features that weren't present on the original instruments. However, these are tucked away under a cover. If you want to program "true" CS-80 sounds, just ignore these hidden features.
On the DX7 V, on the other hand, these extra features are mixed in with the regular features of the original DX7! If you want to program "true" DX7 sounds, you need to ignore all these extra features (arpeggiator, extra waveforms, filter, etc). The problem is that the DX7 V interface doesn't give you any clue as to which are original DX7 features and which are Arturia add-ons.
This problem could be solved if Arturia would give us a DX7/DX700 switch button, where the DX7 setting disabled and hid all the Arturia add-on parameters. The only other option is to become extremely familiar with the original hardware instrument!
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8/1/2016 bought V Collection 4 for 99 (13 instruments)
19/5/2016 bought the V4 upgrade for 99 (13 instruments)
6/12/2017 bought V6 upgrade for 199 (21 instruments)
+ 8 instruments, seems a good deal for me...
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This problem could be solved if Arturia would give us a DX7/DX700 switch button, where the DX7 setting disabled and hid all the Arturia add-on parameters. The only other option is to become extremely familiar with the original hardware instrument!
An excellent suggestion!
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I realise the same could be said of the Mellotron - a proto-sampler - but I'd be happy with a good set of Mellotron samples (if anyone knows where to get some).
The M-Tron Pro from GFORCE software. I've had it for several years now. It is the tapes digitized. GForce works with Streetly (the Mellotron manufacturers) to put out new packs of tapes for the M-Tron. I've got them all. It's good stuff. The thing about the Mellotron sound is that it is an esthetic stylized product of the tape recorder age and has a quality of sound that only comes from a total analogue recording and reproduction chain and three or four successive generations of tape re-recording from the master tapes. It gives the sound a lot of non-linearities that make for that esthetic. back in the day they weren't trying to achieve any such esthetic but now they do it on purpose with the new tapes at Streetly.
I think they've got a 50% off sale at GForce over the holidays. You might want to check it out.
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Today's Arturia newsletter says the current upgrade offer is "the best offer you will ever get" and that we should "treat" ourselves. So, basically a big FU to all their customers who are saying the upgrade is too expensive.
I will be treating myself, but not by giving my money to Arturia
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Today's Arturia newsletter says the current upgrade offer is "the best offer you will ever get" and that we should "treat" ourselves. So, basically a big FU to all their customers who are saying the upgrade is too expensive.
I will be treating myself, but not by giving my money to Arturia
Just got that email myself and almost did a spit-take with my morning Earl Grey and that would be a waste - just like spending money on this 'best offer ever'. My Christmas spending funds have gone to other developers who really care about their customers.
Arturia should take a page out of the book of Keilworth/Vengeance VPS who program the Avenger synth. Major synth upgrades and no charge. Actually I think there should be a charge for VC6 but NOT what Arturia is charging. Keilworth is a much smaller operation than Arturia and they do what they've been doing with Avenger? Arturia which is much bigger and has a larger customer base should be able to come close to that.
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Ok, here is my pledge to Arturia, offer the V5 - V6 upgrade for 99 Euros (as that is what I have paid for all previous V-Collection upgrades) and I will buy it, but at 199 Euros - it will never happen,
If enough people make the same pledge, maybe Arturia will see what they are missing.
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Ok, here is my pledge to Arturia, offer the V5 - V6 upgrade for 99 Euros (as that is what I have paid for all previous V-Collection upgrades) and I will buy it, but at 199 Euros - it will never happen,
If enough people make the same pledge, maybe Arturia will see what they are missing.
This is one pledge I am happy to make. To do otherwise would not be a good thing. Whether it's 99 Euros or $99 US I'd be on the VC6 upgrade in a heartbeat - otherwise - NO!
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Ok, here is my pledge to Arturia, offer the V5 - V6 upgrade for 99 Euros (as that is what I have paid for all previous V-Collection upgrades) and I will buy it, but at 199 Euros - it will never happen,
If enough people make the same pledge, maybe Arturia will see what they are missing.
I will take that pledge too, but Arturia will have to hurry because my money is yearning to go elsewhere
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Arturia, make the VC5-to-VC6 upgrade /US 99,00 and I will be in - for /US 199,00 I will not buy!
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Ok, here is my pledge to Arturia, offer the V5 - V6 upgrade for 99 Euros (as that is what I have paid for all previous V-Collection upgrades) and I will buy it, but at 199 Euros - it will never happen,
If enough people make the same pledge, maybe Arturia will see what they are missing.
Count me in on this one. I've been an Arturia Supporter since Jupiter-8V 1.0. Bought Spark VDM. Spark V2. The Oberheim SEM V. The Prophet V2 and then there's the upgrade to V Collection V4, next the upgrade to V Collection V5. And now I should shell another $199? I don't think so.
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Count me in on this pledge also. Owner since V4!
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I just wanted to add my voice to the call to price the upgrade at a more competitive price.
199 euro for this plus/or £189 for update to ableton 10
Ableton will have money but a £99 upgrade to version 6 and i'll bite :)
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Today's Arturia newsletter says the current upgrade offer is "the best offer you will ever get" and that we should "treat" ourselves. So, basically a big FU to all their customers who are saying the upgrade is too expensive.
I will be treating myself, but not by giving my money to Arturia
It is unfortunate that now that Arturia have publicly made that price promise that they can not now offer a lower price than 199 in future for fear of being sued. 199 is way too much for an upgrade from V5 to V6. I have upgraded from V3 to V4 to V5 and own Sparkle and Keylab 88 and think that loyal customers should be encouraged to continue supporting the developer. I love the products and was contemplating more Arturia hardware but I think not now. :(
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It is unfortunate that now that Arturia have publicly made that price promise that they can not now offer a lower price than 199 in future for fear of being sued.
I wonder what's worse. Risk being sued or risk loosing the entire customer base? Apple is the only company which can misstreat and ignore it's customer base and survive. Arturia isn't Apple!!!
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Today's Arturia newsletter says the current upgrade offer is "the best offer you will ever get" and that we should "treat" ourselves. So, basically a big FU to all their customers who are saying the upgrade is too expensive.
I will be treating myself, but not by giving my money to Arturia
It is unfortunate that now that Arturia have publicly made that price promise that they can not now offer a lower price than 199 in future for fear of being sued. 199 is way too much for an upgrade from V5 to V6. I have upgraded from V3 to V4 to V5 and own Sparkle and Keylab 88 and think that loyal customers should be encouraged to continue supporting the developer. I love the products and was contemplating more Arturia hardware but I think not now. :(
You have a good point.
However i wonder if someone at Arturia has slipped up as WE ALL seem to have been offered the 199 Euro upgrade despite some of us owning very few Arturia products and other buying a lot last year.
I bought a Keystep, a Beatstep pro AND a matrixbrute last year - i too got the 199 euro offer! Not even an extra 1 euro discount for being a loyal customer.
We have said our bit, let's hope they wonder why they haven't sold as many upgrades as they had hoped :)
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TBH If I made a living from my music then 199e would be insignificant but now as a hobbyist and long time and heavily invested Arturia customer 199e is too much for the upgrade from V5. I love what Arturia has done to resurrect these iconic instruments, many of which I have actually played and also owned quite a number too since I was a musician during the time of their creation and release. I really appreciate the time, effort and obvious cost of creating these virtual reproductions and as a new customer the release price of 399e is a steal but the upgrade price is very disappointing. Users of NI Komplete will be used to this pricing model. ::)
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Users of NI Komplete will be used to this pricing model. ::)
No, they're not! The full price of Komplete 11 Ultimate is 1199. An upgrade from versions 8 to 10 is 399. That's about 33% of the full price. Arturia expects us to pay 50% of the full price. Forget it! This is an excellent way to alienate the customer base, and the first step on the road to bankruptcy.
Let's hope that Arturia comes to it's senses, before it goes that far.
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Users of NI Komplete will be used to this pricing model. ::)
No, they're not! The full price of Komplete 11 Ultimate is 1199. An upgrade from versions 8 to 10 is 399. That's about 33% of the full price. Arturia expects us to pay 50% of the full price. Forget it! This is an excellent way to alienate the customer base, and the first step on the road to bankruptcy.
Let's hope that Arturia comes to it's senses, before it goes that far.
Sorry if I didn't express myself clearly, my point was that the NI upgrade price was the same no matter your current version. So an upgrade from 5 is the same as an upgrade from 10. The actual upgrade difference is massive depending on your current version. Ones recent purchase history is ignored. :(
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Today's Arturia newsletter says the current upgrade offer is "the best offer you will ever get" and that we should "treat" ourselves. So, basically a big FU to all their customers who are saying the upgrade is too expensive.
I will be treating myself, but not by giving my money to Arturia
It is unfortunate that now that Arturia have publicly made that price promise that they can not now offer a lower price than 199 in future for fear of being sued. 199 is way too much for an upgrade from V5 to V6. I have upgraded from V3 to V4 to V5 and own Sparkle and Keylab 88 and think that loyal customers should be encouraged to continue supporting the developer. I love the products and was contemplating more Arturia hardware but I think not now. :(
I may have missed it but where did you see Arturia say they can't offer a lower upgrade price for fear of being sued? I saw nothing of the kind in the upgrade email announcement I got from them.
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You didn't miss it, they didn't say that. But they did say that 199 was the best price that there would ever be. Therefore if the price is lowered then those customers that paid the 199 would have a case of false advertising. Saying that this upgrade would not LIKELY be offered at a lower price would keep the door open instead of setting it in stone. A promise is a promise so breaking it would at the least annoy the early upgraders and make undermine confidence in the company. That's just my opinion as a European where advertising and selling laws are very strict. Those who really want the upgrade will just pay the price anyway so I guess it doesn't really matter. ???
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You didn't miss it, they didn't say that. But they did say that 199 was the best price that there would ever be. Therefore if the price is lowered then those customers that paid the 199 would have a case of false advertising. Saying that this upgrade would not LIKELY be offered at a lower price would keep the door open instead of setting it in stone. A promise is a promise so breaking it would at the least annoy the early upgraders and make undermine confidence in the company. That's just my opinion as a European where advertising and selling laws are very strict. Those who really want the upgrade will just pay the price anyway so I guess it doesn't really matter. ???
So what you wrote about Arturia possibly being sued was all your words. Remember that companies have the right to change terms whenever they feel like doing so - it's all in the fine print. Arturia promised NOTHING. Upgrade prices have been known to drop further on down the road. I'd give it to some time later in 2018 to see some place like Audio Deluxe have a price drop on the upgrade and then Sweetwater after that.
So people would get annoy early purchasers if the upgrade price were to drop; not like that hasn't happened before. How about Waves plugins purchasers that paid either full price or even a reduced price and then saw those same plugins have another priced drop during the Thanksgiving/Christmas holidays? A lot of people got mad about that but you don't see them quoting European law do you? Remember that the whole world doesn't have to pay attention to those strictures and sales and pricing terms and how they might change vary from country to country.
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I pretty much agree with you but you appear to have missed my point. I assumed English was your first language but no matter. :)
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I got this in a mail from Arturia today.
Your previous version entitle you to the best offer you will ever receive. Get V Collection 6 for 199 instead of 499 .
This is ridiculous. Arturia must be the only software company that charges full retail price for an upgrade!!! This is unbelievable. This "offer" feels close to an attempted blackmail.
Arturia. Don't forget that there is the piracy option (which looks more and more tempting, unfortunately). It takes only 0,46 seconds to find a download link for a pirated copy of V Collection 6 on Google.
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I pretty much agree with you but you appear to have missed my point. I assumed English was your first language but no matter. :)
What in the world has whatever language is my first language have to do with this thread? BTW I am a native English (actually American) speaking person. I missed YOUR point? How about you missed the point I was trying to make and that was Arturia has the right to change the terms at their whim an no law can change that. I'm sure that Arturia, who's based in Grenoble, knows exactly how to get around any law. Besides that European law holds no water internationally (like here in the USA).
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Yeah, I saw that little detail too. I don't think I would have phrased it like they did. Anyone who buys it now and then sees it cheaper, latter, is going to be a little bit peeved.
It also sounded a little ugly.
I won't be getting it for that price. I don't think it's a particularly excessive price... what €50 a plugin basically... I've paid more than that for individual instruments from them and other developers before (I've also paid less too).
The problem for me is that I found the instrument additions a bit eclectic. If they had been a different 4 instruments I might have bitten.
DX7 V. I tried the demos... the best by far is the DX... loads of scope there. You get the original sounds, plus the opportunity to program some interesting stuff yourself... with some great new additions the original didn't have.
CMI V. I was really looking forward to the Fairlight... but was disappointed, I have some other libraries that actually cover some more iconic Fairlight sounds than those I found here. I think perhaps that maybe something to do with the particular model/s they used samples from... seems to me like they need to think about adding some "expansion discs" to that library. Some of the best sounds here were very "cinematic" and not too musical. If I were writing the next Petshop Boys track I would be very let down... If I was recording the soundtrack for "Scanners II: The Revenge of the Exploding Heads" I would be really chuffed.
Buchla Easel V. Again like the CMI, this sounds great for 60s and 70s scifi horror, but I don't think I personally would find much other use for it... maybe creating a sound library of weird sounds to sell on to other musicians working on movies? Again here, the problem might be the patches that come with the synth... they just seemed to be TOO specific. I'd need to have a specific project in the pipeline to justify that synth... or at least at that price.
Clavinet V. Buff, how many clavs do you already have? Same here... nice, great level of control, but another clav? At 29 dolars maybe (yup bought that one just a little while ago). Clavs also come with so many bundles already.
Seems to me that a couple of the products are just not going to be that appealing to customers... that's going to give them the perception that instead of €50 for 4 plugins, they are actually paying €100 for 2 (the only 2 they are really interested in). Had it been DX7 V, CMI V, JV1080 V and D50 V I would have gone for it.
That said, I think that Arturia have created some great products, but at €199 there's just not enough of what I want to justify spending the cash on V6 instead of something else.
Does'nt help that there are also other companies that have great synth bundles too, some that have only just been released.
V6 has also been a bit thin on the ground in relation to videos on YouTube... some of the videos out there have some interesting bits, but none of the reviews completely sold me on it.
Sure guys... €99 would get my vote, I'm sure Arturia could find a thousand ways to get around that rather awkwardly phrased "promise" they made (all it needed was a photo of Luca Brasi in the banner).
As far as people who have already bought it... that's life. I have many, MANY times seen stuff I have bought, on sale cheaper later on. Many people would pay double the price just to have it NOW... they are working on a project NOW that would benefit from those sounds or they are working on a top 40s track and want to get some fresh sounds in before everyone has "that" library.
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I generally agree with all of the points you made. I am more excited about the CMI than the DX7--mainly because I already have the FM8--which has been around for a long while and seems to do more. A side by side comparison of the two products would be helpful.
Totally agree on the Clav and Easel.
Ultimately, the combination of new products just doesn't justify the upgrade price for me and I am a long-time customer and huge fan of Arturia products. I hope Arturia is listening....
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Don't get too hung up on the price. 199 would have been completely fair, if the full price was 799! It isn't, however. What is of interest is is the percentage of the full price that Arturia demands for a one-step version upgrade. Arturia want 50% of the full price for an upgrade. This is what is unacceptable to its customers (who keeps the company alive). The "normal" industry price-range for a one-step version upgrade is between 20-30%.
What's even worse, after January 10th Arturia will want 100% of the full price for the upgrade. This is ridiculous and unheard of!
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I'll be glad when the "offer" finishes: I'm getting sick of being insulted every other day by their "offer" emails.
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I wrote to Arturia days ago because I pretend VAT refund from purchases since Italy to France with a VAT number must not to be paid, but they claim not to do so (and is against the law) treating customers all as if they were private and not business (such as professionals in the sector). They tell me to buy at a store to get the VAT discount. They also make an upgrade to 50% of the cost, it seems to me a total suicide .... They will lower the crest, as long as no one buys and you will see that in a while come mail with much lower bids, the loss of many customers, something that can not be allowed .... without considering who will decide to have an illegal copy .... The French are too snooty ..... (sorry for my bad english)
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Ok, here is my pledge to Arturia, offer the V5 - V6 upgrade for 99 Euros (as that is what I have paid for all previous V-Collection upgrades) and I will buy it, but at 199 Euros - it will never happen,
If enough people make the same pledge, maybe Arturia will see what they are missing.
Same here!
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I'll be glad when the "offer" finishes: I'm getting sick of being insulted every other day by their "offer" emails.
They must have turned the heat off in those offices in Grenoble and froze their brains (what's left of them). I warn off everybody I run into about this 'upgrade' price - don't waste your money as it's best spent elsewheres. This now makes two developers I will no longer buy from until they come to their senses. IK and Arturia.
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The previous upgrade of V4 to V5 was also 199 so allowing for inflation it must be a good price. I contacted Arturia and their reply was that this is as good a price as it will be due to the cost, time and effort invested in development. Can't say fairer than that! That leaves 4 options...take your pick. :)
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The previous upgrade of V4 to V5 was also 199 so allowing for inflation it must be a good price. I contacted Arturia and their reply was that this is as good a price as it will be due to the cost, time and effort invested in development. Can't say fairer than that! That leaves 4 options...take your pick. :)
Actually that upgrade price dropped later in the year the upgrade came out. Audio Deluxe had it at $150US so it can and does happen. Arturia is blowing smoke up people's asses with this 'deal'. You want to play the fool and spend the money - that's up to you. There are those of us who've been around a lot longer and say enough is enough.
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The previous upgrade of V4 to V5 was also 199 so allowing for inflation it must be a good price. I contacted Arturia and their reply was that this is as good a price as it will be due to the cost, time and effort invested in development. Can't say fairer than that! That leaves 4 options...take your pick. :)
Actually that upgrade price dropped later in the year the upgrade came out. Audio Deluxe had it at $150US so it can and does happen. Arturia is blowing smoke up people's asses with this 'deal'. You want to play the fool and spend the money - that's up to you. There are those of us who've been around a lot longer and say enough is enough.
True. I got it for $99 so well worth the wait.
BTW Jack I was being sarcastic regarding Arturias response.
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The previous upgrade of V4 to V5 was also 199
I got mine for 99,- ("..a giant leap forward in every way..", "..enhanced all the landmark V Collection modeled classic instruments..", "..added five new iconic keyboards, and dramatically upgraded Analog Lab", they wrote in their promotion mails in may '16). And the official prices were the same as today (499 and 399 as introducing price).
Where did you search for your deals???
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The previous upgrade of V4 to V5 was also 199
I got mine for 99,- ("..a giant leap forward in every way..", "..enhanced all the landmark V Collection modeled classic instruments..", "..added five new iconic keyboards, and dramatically upgraded Analog Lab", they wrote in their promotion mails in may '16). And the official prices were the same as today (499 and 399 as introducing price).
Where did you search for your deals???
So did I. Check my previous post. ;)
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The previous upgrade of V4 to V5 was also 199 so allowing for inflation it must be a good price. I contacted Arturia and their reply was that this is as good a price as it will be due to the cost, time and effort invested in development. Can't say fairer than that! That leaves 4 options...take your pick. :)
Actually that upgrade price dropped later in the year the upgrade came out. Audio Deluxe had it at $150US so it can and does happen. Arturia is blowing smoke up people's asses with this 'deal'. You want to play the fool and spend the money - that's up to you. There are those of us who've been around a lot longer and say enough is enough.
True. I got it for $99 so well worth the wait.
I remember that now; I know it actually dropped a couple of times - the first to $150 and then the $100 (I round up the numbers but you know what I mean).
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The previous upgrade of V4 to V5 was also 199
I got mine for 99,- ("..a giant leap forward in every way..", "..enhanced all the landmark V Collection modeled classic instruments..", "..added five new iconic keyboards, and dramatically upgraded Analog Lab", they wrote in their promotion mails in may '16). And the official prices were the same as today (499 and 399 as introducing price).
Where did you search for your deals???
Keep your eyes open for deals from Audio Deluxe - members there can get some awesome deals.
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The previous upgrade of V4 to V5 was also 199 so allowing for inflation it must be a good price. I contacted Arturia and their reply was that this is as good a price as it will be due to the cost, time and effort invested in development. Can't say fairer than that! That leaves 4 options...take your pick. :)
Actually that upgrade price dropped later in the year the upgrade came out. Audio Deluxe had it at $150US so it can and does happen. Arturia is blowing smoke up people's asses with this 'deal'. You want to play the fool and spend the money - that's up to you. There are those of us who've been around a lot longer and say enough is enough.
True. I got it for $99 so well worth the wait.
I remember that now; I know it actually dropped a couple of times - the first to $150 and then the $100 (I round up the numbers but you know what I mean).
I know what you mean and I agree with you. It just pisses me when a company I have been a customer of since before the 'V' collection looks to deceive with stuff like promising this is the best price you will ever get! when we know that down the line the price will drop in a sale. Introductory price is fine but please don't take us for fools Arturia.
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it will be due to the cost, time and effort invested in development.
How does Arturia plan to finance further development, when their loyal customers stop buying their products? Any ideas?
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It just pisses me when a company I have been a customer of since before the 'V' collection looks to deceive with stuff like promising this is the best price you will ever get! when we know that down the line the price will drop in a sale. Introductory price is fine but please don't take us for fools Arturia.
AFAIR it took just a week from the official announcement of V5 to the "special" V4 upgrade prices they had for us customers. This year there's no "special" upgrade price and Arturia isn't saying that there will be one. 199 is a doubling in one and a half years - good Jesus :o
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it will be due to the cost, time and effort invested in development.
I wonder how Arturia plan to finance further development, when their loyal customers stop buying their products? Any ideas?
There will always be the lemmings who will jump off the cliff to buy the latest whatever it is and in this case I firmly believe this is what Arturia is counting. Not happening here. Especially for half-baked s/w; the Fairlight could have been killer but Arturia cheaped out on it like they did the Synclavier. The only real star is the DX7 emulation and even then there are some things that makes those of us who had a real DX7 scratch our heads.
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Not sure if this is the right thread. Arturia offered V5 users an upgrade from V5 to V6 for $199 (USD). This was confirmed both by email and in My Arturia account. Yet when I clicked on the link for the special offer upgrade it charged me full price without subtracting the discount. I have been attempting to upgrade since Jan 7 (when I got the 'final notice') using the special offer to no avail. (As I understood, the offer was to run through Jan 10). I had no problem upgrading from V4 to V5. If I have to pay full price ($399 USD for the downloaded version of V6), then I am no longer interested in doing business with this company. It isnt right to put up a link for a $199 special offer when there is none.😠
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So my $199 offer is now $249. I almost bit last night, I do like the new synths, but there are a lot of things lately that have taken my money software wise, upgrades to Live 10, iZotope Ozone 8 Advanced for instance that are more in the realm of need than want.I do not believe for a second that the now $249 upgrade will be the lowest price I can get it from now on. It's obvious a lot of people didn't buy because it was perceived as too high, so IMO it's a waiting game, Summer sale, or Black Friday next year I'm betting V6 goes on sale for $149 or so.
I get why U-He don't do sales when you run into things like this, it's obvious it's a matter of time before V6 gets bellow $199, so it's frustrating to people to feel like they have to wait.
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So my $199 offer is now $249. I almost bit last night, I do like the new synths, but there are a lot of things lately that have taken my money software wise, upgrades to Live 10, iZotope Ozone 8 Advanced for instance that are more in the realm of need than want.I do not believe for a second that the now $249 upgrade will be the lowest price I can get it from now on. It's obvious a lot of people didn't buy because it was perceived as too high, so IMO it's a waiting game, Summer sale, or Black Friday next year I'm betting V6 goes on sale for $149 or so.
I get why U-He don't do sales when you run into things like this, it's obvious it's a matter of time before V6 gets bellow $199, so it's frustrating to people to feel like they have to wait.
I think U-He have done at least one sale but that is extremely rare but what they do do is look at your previous custom and may well offer a discount on a new purchase based on what you already own. Just contact them. I know as I have done it. If you don't ask then you won't get. Arturia said no! :(
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So my $199 offer is now $249. I almost bit last night, I do like the new synths, but there are a lot of things lately that have taken my money software wise, upgrades to Live 10, iZotope Ozone 8 Advanced for instance that are more in the realm of need than want.I do not believe for a second that the now $249 upgrade will be the lowest price I can get it from now on. It's obvious a lot of people didn't buy because it was perceived as too high, so IMO it's a waiting game, Summer sale, or Black Friday next year I'm betting V6 goes on sale for $149 or so.
I get why U-He don't do sales when you run into things like this, it's obvious it's a matter of time before V6 gets bellow $199, so it's frustrating to people to feel like they have to wait.
I don't think it's a matter of time, because Arturia already has pinned the upgrade offer on the wall - as they did with the earlier version jumps. And as before there will be no second, MUCH lower price round, that would be a slap in the face of customers who made an early bird upgrade for 199.
You can do it as you like, Arturia has put themselves in a marketing dilemma, where customers will leave because the upgrade price is too high or because they have payed too much as an early bird. Good shot in the knee, Arturia!
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And as before there will be no second, MUCH lower price round, that would be a slap in the face of customers who made an early bird upgrade for 199.
Why not? Arturia has done it before. The upgrade from v4 to v5 was 199, which turned to 399. A couple of months later it turned to 99. That's when I upgraded! I wonder how many loyal customers Arturia lost to the piracy market then, and how many more they will loose this time?
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The upgrade from v4 to v5 was 199, which turned to 399. A couple of months later it turned to 99.
That's wrong. The Upgrade for 99$/ was announced via Email to V-customers a week after they officially started to promote V5. And that's why you won't get a 99 upgrade this time.
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The upgrade from v4 to v5 was 199, which turned to 399. A couple of months later it turned to 99.
That's wrong. The Upgrade for 99$/ was announced via Email to V-customers a week after they officially started to promote V5. And that's why you won't get a 99 upgrade this time.
Nope, it's you who are wrong. The 99 upgrade price wasn't originally for the v4 to v5 upgrade (that was originally 199), it was for the v4 to v4 update. this was a special update that only included the updated versions of the instruments that were included with V4 (but not the new instruments from V5).
As I've said, after a some of months, Arturia offered a 99 update from v4 to v5. That's why we may very well get a 99 upgrade this time as-well, when Arturia realizes that they lost sales, by alienating it's customers, one time and have repeated the same mistake again.
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Nope, it's you who are wrong. The 99 upgrade price wasn't originally for the v4 to v5 upgrade (that was originally 199), it was for the v4 to v4 update. this was a special update that only included the updated versions of the instruments that were included with V4 (but not the new instruments from V5).
As I've said, after a some of months, Arturia offered a 99 update from v4 to v5. That's why we may very well get a 99 upgrade this time as-well, when Arturia realizes that they lost sales, by alienating it's customers, one time and have repeated the same mistake again.
Come on, don't play the fool. We're not talking about an intermediate V5 to V5 update. The original mail for the V5 announcement was send on 19/05/16 with "We are thrilled to announce the V Collection 5!" and an introductory offer: "For a limited time, were introducing the new V Collection 5 at just 399 before it goes to 499. If youre already an Arturia customer, you may also qualify for a great upgrade offer. Check it out!"
Checking out your Arturia account you found a 149,- offer with an 50,- rebate, making a 99,- deal *immediately* after this mail. Sorry, but I archive such mails and bills, see attached.
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I don't think it's a matter of time, because Arturia already has pinned the upgrade offer on the wall - as they did with the earlier version jumps. And as before there will be no second, MUCH lower price round, that would be a slap in the face of customers who made an early bird upgrade for 199.
You can do it as you like, Arturia has put themselves in a marketing dilemma, where customers will leave because the upgrade price is too high or because they have payed too much as an early bird. Good shot in the knee, Arturia!
Arturia definitely eventually offered a better price on V Collection 5 after some time. It's what NI does every single time, Ableton Live are offering a 20% discount on upgrading to 10 right now, and in a year they will offer 25-30% off upgrading. To really sink this in, I upgraded to V-Collection 4 from a copy of Spark Dubstep bought for 99’ on a Musicians Friend "Stupid Deal of the Day" for a grand total of $99.
And to stop this nonsense about Arturia only sold V-Collection 5 for $199 and never went lower this happened after I bought it for $199.
I'm not angry about it, the new GUIs were sorely needed, but here is proof V-Collection 5 was indeed offered for $99. https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/GXbeGr0.png
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Back to the discussion, it's not a matter of selling the V6 collection/upgrade for a discount price *sometime* in future, but for respecting your customers with a reasonable upgrade policy *anytime* and especially when a new version arrives.
That's what Steinberg cost a bunch of former loyal customers when they had doubled their typically announced upgrade price into new "x.5" version slices instead of full numbers, and that's what all the other companies costs customers when they break with long established price practice without any logical reason.
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That's what Steinberg cost a bunch of former loyal customers when they had doubled their typically announced upgrade price into new "x.5" version slices instead of full numbers,
Once again, you don't know what you're talking about! For many years, Steinberg has released yearly upgrades. Every second year they release a full number x.0 upgrade for 99 and every other year they release an X.5 upgrade for 49. These X.5 upgrades are far more substantial than "normal" X.5 updates.
That makes an average update cost of 75,5 for Cubase Pro. Compare that to Arturias upgrade cost to 199-399! Most Steinberg users are pleased with their upgrade pricing model. I don't think that anyone appreciates Arturias greedy model, to Arturias peril.
Once again, get your facts straight (you sound like Trump). Steinberg hasn't raised the upgrade costs. They have lowered them. And in the process shortened the wait for new versions with new features.
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Svenne, if i sound like Trump then you sound like Sean Spicer ;D
The permanent, chargeable change between integer version numbers and the x.5 decimal versions was introduced with Cubase 6 and 6.5 in 2011/12. Given the fact that the full 9 version only adds unwanted features or features which are long time included in most of the other DAWs, makes the 9.5 version a full integer jump from 8.5 for 149/$ and that's in the reach of Arturias irrational 199 - or vice versa, if you like.
But that discussion leads to nowhere, so i'm off now.
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Back to the discussion, it's not a matter of selling the V6 collection/upgrade for a discount price *sometime* in future, but for respecting your customers with a reasonable upgrade policy *anytime* and especially when a new version arrives.
That's what Steinberg cost a bunch of former loyal customers when they had doubled their typically announced upgrade price into new "x.5" version slices instead of full numbers, and that's what all the other companies costs customers when they break with long established price practice without any logical reason.
Plug in developers almost always eventually offer better prices for the upgrade in the future, Arturia, NI, pretty much everyone eventually offers a better deal. If anyone thinks that this doesn't happen and gets mad about it later, they're not paying attention, period. The upgrade from v4 to v5 was 199, which turned to 399. A couple of months later it turned to 99.
That's wrong. The Upgrade for 99$/ was announced via Email to V-customers a week after they officially started to promote V5. And that's why you won't get a 99 upgrade this time.
It was almost a year later that the $99 upgrade was offered.
What you describe would cause a lot bigger upset among customers including myself who paid $199 for the upgrade within the first week it came out, I wasn't upset because it happened a year later and that's a reasonable amount of time to wait to draw in customers who weren't happy paying $199.
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It was almost a year later that the $99 upgrade was offered.
Correction! As far as I've been able to figure out, by Googling, V Collection 5 was released late May, 2016. I bought the 99 upgrade on November 18th. Minutes after I received the email, announcing the "deal". That's closer to 6 months, than a year.
If history is anything to go by, we can expect a 99 "deal" some time in June. Probably sooner, since this very thread is clear proof that an increasing number of customers won't fall for the same pricing scam twice.
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Im definitely not upgrading at the current price. Its not worth it to me. I think Arturia has misread the interest of their existing client base. The products are very good but the asking price is too high.
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If and when the upgrade price from V5 to V6 drops to $99... I'll purchase it.
In the meantime - the Analog Lab 3 update gave me the new instrument presets from V6... with pretty great editing capabilities from my Laboratory keyboard, with important timbre adjustments pre-mapped. I can wait for the update. TBH .. I don't do a whole heck of a lot of editing beyond filter, res, envelopes and effects.. All those for the new sounds are editable. So.. wait I will.
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I see that Arturia has raised the upgrade fee to 249! That's the wrong way to go, as this thread clearly shows!
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I see that Arturia has raised the upgrade fee to 249! That's the wrong way to go, as this thread clearly shows!
That higher price is what the actual upgrade price was supposed to be as the $199 was a limited-time offer. But agreed though - stupid move on Arturia's part. Somehow I get the feeling we're being played the fool in a Dickensian play - please kind sirs may we have higher prices :P
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Yeah, the $199 V6 upgrade price is crazy. And that's only if you get it on sale! If I go to their website now, the upgrade price is $499! Yeah, that makes total sense!
I've upgraded through every V Collections version, I even bought the individual instruments before the V Collection. So I think I've already made a reasonable contribution to their software development. No need to fleece me now. The last two upgrades were $99 (from V4 to V5 and from V3 to V4). That's a reasonable price for an upgrade. It's baffling that they have now doubled that price. Especially since the new instruments are less attractive than last time. I guess I'm stuck stick with V5. :(
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The Buchla means nothing to me. Let's face it - who really gives a rat's ass about it?
Been waiting for a decent Fairlight emulation and this one is close but not quite there (I had access to a real one back in the day just like the Synclavier). The only other one is the DX7 emulation and I like it better than what NI has in the FM8 but it sure ain't worth $199.
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The Buchla means nothing to me. Let's face it - who really gives a rat's ass about it?
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I'm glad someone else said that, as I feel exactly the same.
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Ok, here is my pledge to Arturia, offer the V5 - V6 upgrade for 99 Euros (as that is what I have paid for all previous V-Collection upgrades) and I will buy it, but at 199 Euros - it will never happen,
If enough people make the same pledge, maybe Arturia will see what they are missing.
OK, it was a year ago, I said at 99 Euros I would buy it, and finally Arturia have offered it at that - staying true to my word - I have bought it.
Shame the Matrix 12V still doesn't work right.... oh well, can't have it all...
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So Arturia finally did what they said they would never do. Sell the V Collection 6 upgrade for a reasonable price! Well done.
It took Arturia almost a year to get my (and most likely several others) money. I don't know how french economics works, but in most other countries companies make money from selling products, not by not selling them!
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Hi Svenne - Im struggling with upgrade pricing as well.
Can you please provide the details of the reasonable price and how you obtained it??
What product/version are you upgrading from, and what price did you get?
Ive hit dead ends on all my attempts.
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Hi Svenne - Im struggling with upgrade pricing as well.
Can you please provide the details of the reasonable price and how you obtained it??
What product/version are you upgrading from, and what price did you get?
Ive hit dead ends on all my attempts.
I'm not Svenne but the upgrade price of $99 (don't know the euro equivalent) is good for going from VCollection 5 to VC6 - I don't know what the price would be when going from earlier than VC5. Don't forget to add VAT if you're in a country that demands it.
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Thank you Arturia! I too kept my word and upgraded the moment the Black Friday upgrade deal was announced.
Thank you for responding to your loyal customer base! We look forward to V-Collection 7.
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Thank you Arturia! I too kept my word and upgraded the moment the Black Friday upgrade deal was announced.
Thank you for responding to your loyal customer base! We look forward to V-Collection 7.
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We look forward to V-Collection 7.
We are indeed, providing you don't - as we say in England - take the piss yet again, by wanting 199 for an upgrade, like you initially wanted for VC5 -> VC6
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We look forward to V-Collection 7.
We are indeed, providing you don't - as we say in England - take the piss yet again, by wanting 199 for an upgrade, like you initially wanted for VC5 -> VC6
Arturia probably will seeing as how they're nothing if not consistent. The timing for this recent drop in upgrade price was about the same length of time it took for the V4 to V5 upgrade price to drop. So expect it to take close to a year before the upgrade price drops to something us punters can afford.