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Title: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: seafoam green on May 22, 2016, 03:35:29 am
I know they are just emulations ..., But ..., These are the worst sounding pianos V.I that I have ever heard .

Even if they were given out for free they'ed still suck
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: dhdhbyby on May 23, 2016, 04:24:43 am
Other than the Synclav, the other 4 "new" instruments are seriously underwhelming. Don't know why Arturia even bothered, They sound like filler just so they could call it V Collection V. I work in software development and easily recognize rushed, under developed/funded projects when I see them. Surprising that Arturia has these kinds of quality controal and design issues when their products have been excellent in the past. Very dissappointing.

Specifically, I have Lounge Lizard, NI B4, NI Pianos, Sampletank  and many others - all of these are much better sounding and are years older.

Dh
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: ben arturia on May 23, 2016, 01:29:07 pm
Hi, we appreciate the fact that the Piano V might not appeal to everybody’s taste, that being said there are a lot of users out there that already said that they loved how the piano V sounds :

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6468396&sid=64cd77e64bf01909206b7affe38a9edd#p6468396
https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6467545#p6467545

As always, the way people perceive music instruments is quite subjective and we are sorry to hear that the piano V does not fit your personal tastes.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: dhdhbyby on May 23, 2016, 04:41:11 pm
I understand tastes are different. I am just surprised these new instruments, in my opinion, do not come up to Arturias usual sonic standards. That being said, the Synclav is interesting but I will have to wait for better pricing for that one instrument. The exchange rate in Canada means my upgrade pricing is clsoer to $300 - too much for one instrument and some UI upgrades at the moment.

Thanks

DH
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: artao on May 25, 2016, 12:26:24 pm
In the KVR forums, several people who initially hated the sound of the piano have reversed their opinion after doing some tweaking to the presets (particularly the EQ section). They now say that, while it's not a Pianoteq 5 killer, the piano really does sound decent enough, especially for a first go at physically modelling a piano. (whereas Pianoteq is a multi-sampled instrument)
Me? While I'm not particularly interested in having a piano, to my ears it sure does sound like a piano. :)
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: Jake Johnson on May 28, 2016, 08:26:54 pm
(Pianoteq is not a multisampled instrument. Except for the hammer knock, it is modelled.)
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: jackn2mpu on June 03, 2016, 02:51:29 pm
I've played real physical pianos and the ones modeled are in no way even close to what a real piano sounds like. Sorry Arturia - you fell flat with these.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: TonyFlyingSquirrel on June 03, 2016, 03:30:30 pm
Compared to most hardware synths that have an included piano preset, I'd say these are far more advanced, especially for the price.

The Piano V on its own would cost $200 USD as posted https://www.arturia.com/products/analog-classics/piano-v/overview 

To touch any other virtual piano out there, you'd have to spend upwards of $319 or higher for an equvalent version of Pianoteq stage or higher.

The Piano V is still a far cry better than the version included in Pro Tools.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: jackn2mpu on June 03, 2016, 04:53:41 pm
Compared to most hardware synths that have an included piano preset, I'd say these are far more advanced, especially for the price.

The Piano V on its own would cost $200 USD as posted https://www.arturia.com/products/analog-classics/piano-v/overview (https://www.arturia.com/products/analog-classics/piano-v/overview) 

To touch any other virtual piano out there, you'd have to spend upwards of $319 or higher for an equvalent version of Pianoteq stage or higher.

The Piano V is still a far cry better than the version included in Pro Tools.
This vi ain't worth the price being asked for it (which is the same prices as the whole V Collection 5 update). I guess it's okay if you don't have access to another library but I'd rather spend the money on something better. Like the NI pianos.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: passat88 on July 10, 2016, 06:06:51 pm
Most of the V-Piano Factory Presets sound like listening through a keyhole. No brilliance, no stereo feeling and no equalizing.
Why we do have microphones (1&2) at different positions, above the strings,along the key range, when there is no volume change playing different keys? Very poor emulation.
The Equalizer is not helpfull and the effect section is a Joke.
After changing  some parameters i found out that Metal Grand can sound like a Harph and Intimate Grand like an E-Piano (in the lower section of the keyboard).
By the way: the lid position can not be controled by mouse.
 
I bought this plugin together with the V5 Upgrade and i am  very disappointed of the quality.

I hope that Arturia will update this and the other plugins soon.
There are also control, midi and GUI bugs in the whole V-Collection 5.
For the Euro 199,-  for the V5 upgrade i expected a lot more.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: aaron aardvark on December 06, 2016, 06:39:34 am
In the KVR forums, several people who initially hated the sound of the piano have reversed their opinion after doing some tweaking to the presets (particularly the EQ section). They now say that, while it's not a Pianoteq 5 killer, the piano really does sound decent enough, especially for a first go at physically modelling a piano. (whereas Pianoteq is a multi-sampled instrument)
Me? While I'm not particularly interested in having a piano, to my ears it sure does sound like a piano. :)

I tried looking around the Arturia portion of the kvr forums and did not find what you were talking about.  Do you have any links for that?  I came across some guy selling Piano-V patches; his samples sounded pretty good to me.  Since I'm more into synth sounds, I did not purchase them, but wondered what he did on those.  I've only tinkered with the effects on Piano-V since I figured Arturia could tweak the patches better than I could.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: TonyFlyingSquirrel on December 06, 2016, 05:44:33 pm
I don't understand the mudslingery that comes with the introduction of a new product.

If you don't like it, then just don't buy it.  But some feel that they need to liberate the world of such product because it does not personally meet their demanding standards.

If you don't like it, great, that's your prerogative, but making a personal campaign to mudsling it rather than just humbly going on to use the product that you choose doesn't seem very tasteful in my opinion, especially when you consider who's forum it is.

If you prefer PianoTeq's software over Arturia's, then why not just go to PianoTeq's forum and praise their product rather than posting on Arturia's forum to trashtalk it?
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: jackn2mpu on December 06, 2016, 09:40:30 pm
I don't understand the mudslingery that comes with the introduction of a new product.

If you don't like it, then just don't buy it.  But some feel that they need to liberate the world of such product because it does not personally meet their demanding standards.

If you don't like it, great, that's your prerogative, but making a personal campaign to mudsling it rather than just humbly going on to use the product that you choose doesn't seem very tasteful in my opinion, especially when you consider who's forum it is.

If you prefer PianoTeq's software over Arturia's, then why not just go to PianoTeq's forum and praise their product rather than posting on Arturia's forum to trashtalk it?
And who are you to say people can't post their honest negative feelings on a product? No one's making it a personal mudslinging campaign but rather letting others know that a product, to put it quite succinctly, sucks. Why shouldn't it be allowed to warn people off of buying a product and wasting their money? Sorry but I and others don't play the Pollyanna game for the precious snowflakes of the world.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: TonyFlyingSquirrel on December 06, 2016, 10:08:48 pm
I don't understand the mudslingery that comes with the introduction of a new product.

If you don't like it, then just don't buy it.  But some feel that they need to liberate the world of such product because it does not personally meet their demanding standards.

If you don't like it, great, that's your prerogative, but making a personal campaign to mudsling it rather than just humbly going on to use the product that you choose doesn't seem very tasteful in my opinion, especially when you consider who's forum it is.

If you prefer PianoTeq's software over Arturia's, then why not just go to PianoTeq's forum and praise their product rather than posting on Arturia's forum to trashtalk it?
And who are you to say people can't post their honest negative feelings on a product? No one's making it a personal mudslinging campaign but rather letting others know that a product, to put it quite succinctly, sucks. Why shouldn't it be allowed to warn people off of buying a product and wasting their money? Sorry but I and others don't play the Pollyanna game for the precious snowflakes of the world.

I'm just saying, just because you can, doesn't mean that you should, especially on the host provider's site.  There are more appropriate sites to post negative feedback, ie; Harmony Central or KVR.  If you're having an issue with an item, then submitting a ticket is the most productive avenue, but if you simply a dissatisfied customer, there are other sites that are more tailored to that context ie; a consumer buying guide of sorts, with the two above sites being among them.

I didn't say that you couldn't post your honest negative feelings either.  I simply stated that I don't understand why this site versus one of the ones I just mentioned.  Seems like one of the other two sites would have more of your desired impact.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: jackn2mpu on December 06, 2016, 11:24:04 pm
I don't understand the mudslingery that comes with the introduction of a new product.

If you don't like it, then just don't buy it.  But some feel that they need to liberate the world of such product because it does not personally meet their demanding standards.

If you don't like it, great, that's your prerogative, but making a personal campaign to mudsling it rather than just humbly going on to use the product that you choose doesn't seem very tasteful in my opinion, especially when you consider who's forum it is.

If you prefer PianoTeq's software over Arturia's, then why not just go to PianoTeq's forum and praise their product rather than posting on Arturia's forum to trashtalk it?
And who are you to say people can't post their honest negative feelings on a product? No one's making it a personal mudslinging campaign but rather letting others know that a product, to put it quite succinctly, sucks. Why shouldn't it be allowed to warn people off of buying a product and wasting their money? Sorry but I and others don't play the Pollyanna game for the precious snowflakes of the world.

I'm just saying, just because you can, doesn't mean that you should, especially on the host provider's site.  There are more appropriate sites to post negative feedback, ie; Harmony Central or KVR.  If you're having an issue with an item, then submitting a ticket is the most productive avenue, but if you simply a dissatisfied customer, there are other sites that are more tailored to that context ie; a consumer buying guide of sorts, with the two above sites being among them.

I didn't say that you couldn't post your honest negative feelings either.  I simply stated that I don't understand why this site versus one of the ones I just mentioned.  Seems like one of the other two sites would have more of your desired impact.
I can't see why I or anyone else should have to go to yet another site to post how one feels about a developer's product rather than the developer's own site? Not everyone belongs to KVR or Harmony Central or should have to to post about a product. Contrary to what you say posting on either of those sites doesn't begin to have the effect on a developer or an end user than posting on here.

I bet you feel the same way about people who post negative views about PT and Avid on the DUC right? I know you post there as do I.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: aaron aardvark on December 08, 2016, 06:57:41 am
I am not associated with VSP, though I thought this has some nice piano sounds in the mp3 demos:

http://vintagesynthpads.com/ocart/Arturia_Piano_V
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: BranoFabry on January 22, 2017, 11:58:15 am
Most of the V-Piano Factory Presets sound like listening through a keyhole. No brilliance, no stereo feeling and no equalizing.

I guess it's what one would get when micing up an instrument with real microphones. It's up to a mix engineer to give a competitive brillance to it.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: jackn2mpu on January 22, 2017, 02:19:27 pm
Most of the V-Piano Factory Presets sound like listening through a keyhole. No brilliance, no stereo feeling and no equalizing.

I guess it's what one would get when micing up an instrument with real microphones. It's up to a mix engineer to give a competitive brillance to it.
You've only got part of the equation for a great recorded sound - it's not just picking the right mic but also picking the right spot or spots to place said mics. And there are as many legitimate spots to mic a piano as there are mics that can be used. A competent recording engineer will know plus they'll experiment to find the right spot to put the mics.

Certainly an engineer can 'fix it in the mix' but that's the wrong spot to do so. You have to get a great sound to tape as it were before you can even begin to think about post recording eq and compression.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: gregwalton42 on February 01, 2017, 11:45:59 am
I have sampled pianos and through the V Collection I now have modelled pianos. Many of the presets fall a bit flat but I like the possibilities that the modelling, mic placement, EQ and ambient spaces offer. I also like that the whole V Collection takes up less disk space than a sampled piano
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: jackn2mpu on February 01, 2017, 02:08:13 pm
I have sampled pianos and through the V Collection I now have modelled pianos. Many of the presets fall a bit flat but I like the possibilities that the modelling, mic placement, EQ and ambient spaces offer. I also like that the whole V Collection takes up less disk space than a sampled piano
Modelled acoustic instruments can be awesome but Arturia fell flat with the pianos. Needs a massive rerwrite as not even a simple update can fix the sound.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: don192 on May 28, 2017, 10:12:43 am
When played through Reaper alongside other pianos Piano V sounds about half the volume as the others. The pianos do need work and the software interface needs to have numerical values with the sliders so you could know how you've adjusted them. It needs the ability to reset any tweaks back to the original settings. I'm using a demo version.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: jackn2mpu on May 28, 2017, 12:29:37 pm
When played through Reaper alongside other pianos Piano V sounds about half the volume as the others. The pianos do need work and the software interface needs to have numerical values with the sliders so you could know how you've adjusted them. It needs the ability to reset any tweaks back to the original settings. I'm using a demo version.
The paying version is the same. It's nuts what Arturia did having the control values in a little are at the bottom left of the gui. Every other vi that I know of that displays values has them in a little popup right next to the control. A simple double click would be great to be able to reset controls to whatever was the original setting.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: don192 on May 28, 2017, 08:37:24 pm
I found improvement with these tweaks:
Concert D model
Action section:
Increase Stings and Hardness
Piano Section:
Reduce Soundboard
Master Section:
Increase GAIN
 :)
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: don192 on May 29, 2017, 06:46:02 pm
The pianos do need work and the software interface needs to have numerical values with the sliders so you could know how you've adjusted them. It needs the ability to reset any tweaks back to the original settings. I'm using a demo version.

I've since noticed that the values appear in the bottom pane on the left-hand side if you hover the mouse over the dials or start adjusting them.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: jackn2mpu on May 29, 2017, 06:57:51 pm
The pianos do need work and the software interface needs to have numerical values with the sliders so you could know how you've adjusted them. It needs the ability to reset any tweaks back to the original settings. I'm using a demo version.

I've since noticed that the values appear in the bottom pane on the left-hand side if you hover the mouse over the dials or start adjusting them.
Which is about as useful as mammary glands on a male bovine  :P
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: don192 on May 31, 2017, 08:20:01 am
I've managed to tweak better sounds out of this, but how do you save them and load them? Save Current Config has my list, but they don't load up.
Demo version.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: jackn2mpu on May 31, 2017, 12:44:37 pm
I've managed to tweak better sounds out of this, but how do you save them and load them? Save Current Config has my list, but they don't load up.
Demo version.
One of the demo limitations is supposedly you can't save customized presets according to the FAQ. However in the Synclavier I was able to save a customized preset and recall it for later use - that loophole may have been closed. Saving a configuration won't do the job no matter what.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: stefano on June 10, 2017, 12:55:14 pm
When I first try Piano V I actually was not happy at all with that. I had other sample based instruments which I preferred a lot more so I did not spend a lot of time with it.
Last week I decided to further investigate on that and I did some adjustment (Eq, mic and hardness). I then tryed a direct comaparison in Cubase (by direct switching from one instrument to the other  it is easier to compare sound/feelings of each of them)among: Piano V, Ravenscroft 270, Halion 5 The Raven.
I had to say that at the end Piano V sound actually good (far better than the Raven) and, in my opinion, comparable to Ravenscroft. But without any tweat, actually even The Raven could sound better than Piano V....
So, I think that Arturia should have worked a bit more in providing more good sounding patches (especially for pop piano) because in my opinion those provided are very far from what you can obtain after few tweakining.
Of course there is still space to improve the instrument, for instance by adding more trick on the phisical modelling side, to improve relative resonance of string  or sustain pedal resonance.
Nevertheless, at end, Piano V can sound really good
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: methodman3000 on June 27, 2017, 05:42:18 am
I have been playing around with Piano V and The variations collection.  It is amazing  how much the mood of the piece I am listening to  changes.  I filter piano's based on their style and pick between 2 categories for a song.  That way I get to understand the piano's then I wll load them into Revalver which again breaks up the sound in unusual ways.  I am working with very dynamic classical Piano music that came from Pianist a program put out by PG Music that they no longer sell but it has about 800 classical pieces on it.  I bought it years ago.   
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: stefano on December 06, 2017, 11:04:18 pm
I just upraded to V Collection 6 since I like CMI V and DX7 V very very very much and, with my surprise, I realized that Piano V2 is a really good sound improvment vs Piano V.
I suggest you to try the demo and test yourself. Even the already existing models (3 are completely new) sound way far better than on Piano V.
In particular the middle/high keys are now more realistic with respect to the previous version.
Of course, I do not use any of the new fx (compressor or delay) now available.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: gregwalton42 on December 07, 2017, 12:20:44 pm
I have tried out the PianoV 2 presets in Analog Lab 3 and it is much better. One might argue we should get it for free as it's what we should have had in the first place. I am now resigned to saving up to buy VC6 before the upgrade offer disappears
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: jackn2mpu on December 07, 2017, 01:08:57 pm
I have tried out the PianoV 2 presets in Analog Lab 3 and it is much better. One might argue we should get it for free as it's what we should have had in the first place. I am now resigned to saving up to buy VC6 before the upgrade offer disappears
Hopefully they really are better and worth the money to upgrade but I won't do the upgrade yet. The price is too high and Arturia has a history of bugs their beta test program doesn't catch.

OT but while I have your eyes as you're the first I've seen that has used Analog Lab3: is there any 'studio' view like in AL2 or AL3 that shows graphics for all the synths and lets you select which you want?
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: gregwalton42 on December 09, 2017, 05:39:00 pm
No Studio View - and someone else has commented on this elsewhere
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: jackn2mpu on December 09, 2017, 06:37:36 pm
No Studio View - and someone else has commented on this elsewhere
That was me. And it still sucks lemons Arturia  :P
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: CC4 on December 10, 2017, 09:45:14 pm
While the Studio View have been pretty, you can still choose individual synths in AL3 and browse through their presets.
Title: Re: Horrible sounding Pianos
Post by: jackn2mpu on December 10, 2017, 11:15:36 pm
While the Studio View have been pretty, you can still choose individual synths in AL3 and browse through their presets.
I know that (and it's a poor excuse if you ask me) but it's still a pain when one is used to the previous way. Arturia should have left well enough alone. Why they take stuff away that worked baffles me.