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Title: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: zanscath on February 03, 2016, 10:27:39 pm
I just got a Mother 32 that really likes my Beatstep Pro... except for one minor detail:

When I use the Beatstep Pro over MIDI pressing the play button also starts the Sequencer. I don't want that. I want the MIDI Start/Stop to be transmitted over USB MIDI to Ableton Live, but not to the Mother. Any way of that happening without going full CV?
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: megamarkd on February 04, 2016, 05:37:36 am
Hey Zanscath,

You lucky devil, I'd love to get a Mother 32, but my car is needs a new engine :(
What is running your midi timing, your BSP or other?  If it's other, you may be able to change the BSP to only send MMC messages from the transport controls with some success.  In MCC, set the transport buttons to only use MMC and try that out.

Good Luck,
MarkD
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: zanscath on February 04, 2016, 07:32:58 am
Thanks for the quick answer. Yeah, BSP is internally synched and I couldn't find the settings for the transport buttons anywhere (turns out because small monitor resolution at the moment). This will help!
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: meeeearcus on April 20, 2016, 06:02:13 am
Thanks for the quick answer. Yeah, BSP is internally synched and I couldn't find the settings for the transport buttons anywhere (turns out because small monitor resolution at the moment). This will help!

Any luck? I'm facing the same issue. Turning off transport in MCC didn't seem to work. Actually most gear I interface with that has a built in sequencer seems to receive the midi start when I hit play. First day with the BSP so forgive me if I'm missing something glaring.

Edit: I was able to get around this with midi filtering through my interface. I also put in a support request, I'll update here if I get anything useful back.

Cheers
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: br202 on April 20, 2016, 10:21:18 am
In the midi control center you can configure the transport section  of the bsp.
Read the manual at page 85 (for the english version) and you'll see how to configure it.
Hope it will help you
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: meeeearcus on April 20, 2016, 05:41:08 pm
In the midi control center you can configure the transport section  of the bsp.
Read the manual at page 85 (for the english version) and you'll see how to configure it.
Hope it will help you

Thanks. I've read the manual and tried exactly this and transport still sends. I can see it in my midi monitor still. I'll try to pull some screenshots later.
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: WALdmuSIK on August 05, 2016, 11:43:22 pm
Have any of you figured this one out? I'm having the same problem. I've tried calling Moog, writing to Arturia (twice), and reaching out to my local synth shop where I bought the Mother-32. I've tried adjusting the tempo outs/midi channels on the Mother-32 and tried the whole MIDI-MCC route on the BSP MCC but I can't seem to get it to work out. Everytime I play a sequence on the BSP it triggers the sequencer on the Mother-32. This doesn't happen when I go through CV. I'm new to the whole midi controller world, longtime guitar player/effect addict, so any new directions or help would be awesome.
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: meeeearcus on August 05, 2016, 11:59:34 pm
Have any of you figured this one out? I'm having the same problem. I've tried calling Moog, writing to Arturia (twice), and reaching out to my local synth shop where I bought the Mother-32. I've tried adjusting the tempo outs/midi channels on the Mother-32 and tried the whole MIDI-MCC route on the BSP MCC but I can't seem to get it to work out. Everytime I play a sequence on the BSP it triggers the sequencer on the Mother-32. This doesn't happen when I go through CV. I'm new to the whole midi controller world, longtime guitar player/effect addict, so any new directions or help would be awesome.

I've got a ticket open with Arturia and they say they are trying to replicate the issue. That was back on June 22nd.  ???
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: WALdmuSIK on August 06, 2016, 12:41:10 am
I've got a ticket open with Arturia and they say they are trying to replicate the issue. That was back on June 22nd.  ???

My fingers are crossed!!
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: WALdmuSIK on August 10, 2016, 01:03:51 am
I posted a video of the problem on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah8owz8eKAk

I'm going to forward that onto Arturia and see what they think. 8)
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: dog01 on August 10, 2016, 02:43:28 pm
well in the video i might have miss it but i not see you sending any of the changes you made in MCC to the beat step pro in which the BSP would just stay in its default setting i don't mean to be ass and i am sure you already know but due to the MCC manual talking about sync etc people wrongly think any change made in MCC goes straight to the the device this is not the case.  you need to select store to and either working memory or a project eg project 1  then the midi changes get pasted on to the device

also sometimes the controller maps get a little screwy and you may need to try saving on a new project or overriding an old controller map if something get locked

i will test it out on my BSP and a midi monitor to see if i can change the midi signals sent from the transport buttons   

that all help i can offer wish the best of luck

Regards Dog01   
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: Terrym on August 10, 2016, 02:58:18 pm
Hi all, Ok i have had a look into this today and can say the mcc transport controls work only on usb midi and not midi din for some reason . This may have not been picked up in testing as most machines with midi have a way to turn off midi sync . but i cannot find a way to do this on the mother32.
I will speak to the team and see if a fix can be done and will report back.

regards

Terrym
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: WALdmuSIK on August 11, 2016, 04:17:05 am
Thanks Terrym!
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: meeeearcus on August 16, 2016, 05:05:12 pm
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Sorry for the delay.

The test team has sucessfully reproduced your issue.

This bug is now logged and will be analysed by our Dev team.

Thanks for your feedback.

Just received this email! Hooray! Movement!
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: WALdmuSIK on August 18, 2016, 01:12:12 am
Awesome! Today I coincidentally received this email from Arturia

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-> I watched your video and investigated on your issue.
We found a bug, the transports can't be turned off.
The bug is now logged and confirmed.
It will be fixed in the forthcoming Beatstep Pro / MCC update.

In the meantime as a workaround, have you tried to empty the Moog M32 sequencer ?
I did that with Volca at home once, as I was too lazy take a computer and deactivate the transport, I deleted the sequence on the Volca's sequencer.
The sequencer started, but didn't interfere as it was empty.
(Maybe I should have use the MCC, I would have found the bug earlier.)

I'm crossing my fingers on the BSP update. Hopefully they'll release that soon.

Has anybody had luck with the blank sequence? I have definitely initialized/cleared the sequencer on the Mother and had no luck.
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: meeeearcus on August 18, 2016, 07:16:56 am
Has anybody had luck with the blank sequence? I have definitely initialized/cleared the sequencer on the Mother and had no luck.

No, the blank sequence is actually just a single note repeating. There's no such thing as a blank sequence as far as I know.
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: JoeFuture on October 17, 2016, 09:27:16 pm
I'm very excited to hear this. I have exactly the same problem, and it's been driving me nuts. Between this and the 0-10v output on the Pitch CV signals, using the BSP with a Mother 32 has been an exercise in frustration. I love the interface and capabilities of the BSP, so I'm really glad to hear some of the rough edges in the experience are getting smoothed out. Let's hope this update comes very soon!
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: OliverAlex on October 19, 2016, 09:41:17 pm
I'm very excited to hear this. I have exactly the same problem, and it's been driving me nuts. Between this and the 0-10v output on the Pitch CV signals, using the BSP with a Mother 32 has been an exercise in frustration. I love the interface and capabilities of the BSP, so I'm really glad to hear some of the rough edges in the experience are getting smoothed out. Let's hope this update comes very soon!
Hi all any news on this?
I updated recently but no changes yet , right?

I agree with Joefuture when BSP + MM32 there is not yet a satisfacotry result:
- with midi cable we run into the sequence play issue, as described in this topic
- with CV/Gate there is only a 'span' of +/- 1 octave  usable. I mean only 1 octave gives different notes, while all the notes/octaves above and below trigger the same note.

Can someone confirm that these are the issues, so that i can stop trying to solve them?

thanks
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: JoeFuture on October 19, 2016, 09:56:16 pm
I don't have the 2nd issue you mentioned. My problem with CV and the Mother32 is that the BSP outputs 0-10v, and the M32 expects -5v to +5v. I bought an EMW DC Shifter module to drop the BSP's pitch CV down by -5v, and that seems to have helped.

I'm currently trying to use the 3.5mm to MIDI output jack on the BSP to drive the M32, and despite turning off all MIDI transport in Arturia configuration app for the BSP, it still sends the START message and triggers the Mother32's sequencer.
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: astrostasis on November 05, 2016, 05:20:52 am
So after an entire day of searching to find out what I was doing wrong and even many times skipping over this thread and the video come to find out that it seems to be a bug :/
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: tshock on December 16, 2016, 07:29:58 pm
Hello,

I just found this forum. i recently purchased a Korg minilogue and am having the same issue with BSP sending transport start and stop messages. I did make my sequences blank and that is an ok temp fix but I would really like to disable the midi transport controls messages. Any luck here? any update?

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: shinyless on January 18, 2017, 03:25:24 pm
Bump,

I just received my BeatStep Pro and I have the exact same problem with the Mother 32. Disabling transports message in MCC doesn't solve the problem, and of course it's impossible to disable the sequencer on the Mother 32's side. Any chance to get an update on the status of this bug ?
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: Terrym on January 18, 2017, 03:41:07 pm
Hi , this should be fixed in the next update . i have not seen a test of this yet though so i do not know when it will be released.



Terrym
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: shinyless on January 18, 2017, 04:04:25 pm
Hi , this should be fixed in the next update . i have not seen a test of this yet though so i do not know when it will be released.



Terrym

Thanks for the quick reply. Can't wait for the update to be deployed !  :)
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: nimbo77 on March 10, 2017, 09:46:55 pm
Hi, first post here.

I too am having this very issue with both my Roland JU-06 and Korg Monotribe (midi modded).  I have tried turning off MCC for transport, but it still triggers the onboard sequencers on both the JU-06 and the Monotribe. This is a pretty severe bug IMO, any word on the update to fix this?
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: meeeearcus on March 10, 2017, 09:50:01 pm
Hi, first post here.

I too am having this very issue with both my Roland JU-06 and Korg Monotribe (midi modded).  I have tried turning off MCC for transport, but it still triggers the onboard sequencers on both the JU-06 and the Monotribe. This is a pretty severe bug IMO, any word on the update to fix this?

Sadly no, there has been no movement with the firmware upgrade for the BSP. The last update from 8/16/16 was:

Quote
Sorry for the delay.

The test team has sucessfully reproduced your issue.

This bug is now logged and will be analysed by our Dev team.

Thanks for your feedback.
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: nimbo77 on March 14, 2017, 07:12:33 pm
Just received a reply to my ticket. It stated thhat the next update is scheduled for release in 2-4 weeks time. (crosses fingers)
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: meeeearcus on June 26, 2017, 06:13:22 am
Can anyone confirm that this has been fixed in v2 firmware? I don't see it explicitly named. I can test tomorrow and report back. I'm excited to be able to use this piece of gear for my synths with built in sequencers!

Quote
V 2.0.0.2
Bug fixes
Chains are properly handled in reverse mode
Program changes are now properly handled when "Wait to load pattern" is off

V 2.0.0
Bug fixes
Shift + Swing now properly work together
Pad velocity in Controller Mode now functional
Pads now light up when setting Program Changes
Knobs can now be set to control Aftertouch in Controller Mode
Selected Pad of Drum Sequencer is properly lit in Real-Time recording
Step + Pad now working with Drums sequencer with record active
Pressing step buttons to change Project doesn't send unwanted CC messages
No more crashes on pattern change after external transpose with transpose link
Improvements to HUI protocol when using Pro Tools 10
Sequences are now properly updated with Preset Link
First pattern of a chain is now played once when Wait to Load Pattern = Off
Transpose link + chaining pattern now properly work together
No more stuck notes on Stop/Pause using analog clock
No more drifting of the MIDI clock output when using internal clock
No more notes jumped when using the Looper with MIDI, USB or Clk Sync
Exiting Looper now plays the right note information
Control mode = Knob jumping from 127 to 0 with slow acceleration
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: Terrym on June 27, 2017, 12:36:28 pm
Hi  i asked this question in testing and the answer i got was midi clock ,start and stop messages cannot be deactivated . only midi cc for start /stop which is different.

Terrym
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: egjanuary on October 04, 2017, 09:07:20 pm
I can confirm this was not fixed for using M32 with the last update.
Kind of disappointing.

"Can't be done" ?

BS
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: I grec on October 11, 2017, 10:03:45 am
Hi guys,
I do not see anything to fix. A MIDI sequencer sends MIDI system realtime messages (Clock, Start, Stop, Continue). It could be disabled, but I do not see the point. Usually, it is up to the slaved device to take it into account or not. Does your DAW start if not in external sync mode? -> No. Does BeatStep Pro start if it receives MIDI Start when it is set to "INT" (Auto Sync de-activated)? -> No.
I really think the culprit is the M32, not being able (according to you) to ignore those messages. In this case, an external MIDI filter could be used (e.g.: Miditech MIDI Thru 4 / Filter). Arturia may provide a fix for addressing a MOOG issue, but IMHO, it should come from MOOG.

Regards,
Y.
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: paulskiogorki on April 11, 2018, 08:16:08 pm
Hi everyone

After some investigation I have found a solution that works for me that I'll share here. Unfortunately it involves some extra gear, but in my case I'm satisfied because I don't need or want to have a computer around.

My solution uses MIDI from either Keystep or Beatstep Pro. I got an iRig MIDI 2 and an iPod running the MidiBridge app (newer iOS devices should use MidiFire app instead - same developer but more features for more current versions of iOS).

When configured properly, the iOS app filters out the MIDI Real Time messages so that only the notes go through when I press play.

This works OK for now, but I did have to shell out $ for the iRig and the app.

Ideally I want a solution using CV but this requires some sort of module that offsets the voltage from Arturia's 0/10V to Moog's -5V/+5V. I guess there are a bunch of modules that do this but I only have the Moog's and not other modular stuff so I'm still looking for a standalone solution for that. Anyone had any luck with this?
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: daveisfloating on November 15, 2018, 10:07:18 pm
Hi guys,
I do not see anything to fix. A MIDI sequencer sends MIDI system realtime messages (Clock, Start, Stop, Continue). It could be disabled, but I do not see the point. Usually, it is up to the slaved device to take it into account or not. Does your DAW start if not in external sync mode? -> No. Does BeatStep Pro start if it receives MIDI Start when it is set to "INT" (Auto Sync de-activated)? -> No.
I really think the culprit is the M32, not being able (according to you) to ignore those messages. In this case, an external MIDI filter could be used (e.g.: Miditech MIDI Thru 4 / Filter). Arturia may provide a fix for addressing a MOOG issue, but IMHO, it should come from MOOG.

Regards,
Y.
Sorry for sh*tposting here but this just rubs me wrong.

I'm a software developer and I think that's a pretty crappy attitude to have. If you want a reason how about: Making your product so awesome that is compatible with all kinds of other awesome hardware. I think that's the point of these controllers, right? And isn't that what makes MIDI so awesome as a standard anyway, that its so universal and can work with anything? Seems like a reasonable position to take instead picking a side on whose responsibility it is. I get "separation of concerns" and all that, but really?

From an uninformed and novice user it would seem that we're just asking for the ability to disable the "Pause, Play, Restart" button so it doesn't send a signal out. Seems about as useful as the other 7 configurations in the Transport Settings section of the MIDI Control Center.

For those of you who want an immediate workflow fix, just hit the "stop" button on your Mother-32 right after you hit the play button on your Keystep. Hard to do if both hands are busy but works in a pinch.

(Also note: And this thread has over 7,000 views. I think there's interest in this topic. )
Title: Re: Beatstep Pro - Play button over MIDI
Post by: FuzzTony on April 17, 2019, 08:03:50 pm
Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I just got a BSP yesterday and had a similar issue with my Volca Sample.  The problem is not really the BSP, it's how the other device responds to start/stop messages.  In the case of the Volca Sample, setting it to ignore the midi clock from the BSP solved the problem.  (and I can still sync the sample's sequencer to the BSP's tempo using a 1/8 cable). 

I don't have a Mother 32 but found page 50 in the Mother 32 manual in about 2 minutes: "Programming the Tempo Input".   Please try some of those options, as the manual is very vague, but it may have the effect of essentially choosing another clock source thereby disabling the reception of the start/stop commands.

I do agree that an option in the MCC to actually disable these transport messages from the source would be helpful.