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Title: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: asprog on February 09, 2015, 04:35:31 pm
Hello,
as I have no response from the Arturia support, I post here...  >:(

I downloaded the last update (1.1.0) but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved (VST2, VST3, stand alone versions)!

I use Sonar Platinum 64 bits with Windows 7 64 bits, Scarlett 6i6 soundcard, A500-Pro midi keyboard.
My computer: Intel Core i7 CPU 920 2.67Ghz with 6G ram...

Strangely, it works with Analog Lab...

Come on Arturia, a last (I hope...) effort!  ;)
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: asprog on February 27, 2015, 12:18:30 pm
Wow, 3 weeks and no response...

Hello Arturia, is there anybody there??

Matrix in last version (1.1.0) has always these issues: "skipping voices" and "no note off"...
I tried with three different midi keyboards, same result  :(

When I use it with Analog Lab, "no note off" disappears but there are still some "skipping voices"

What can we do please??

Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: ben arturia on March 05, 2015, 11:03:33 am
Hi Asprog,

Sorry for the delay !
Do you still have this problem with the Matrix ?
The bugs you describe should be fixed in the version you are using...
Can you double check your version ?
Does it happen in AnalogLab or in Matrix12 ?
Standalone or in a DAW ?
On a particular preset ?
Did you try a clean reinstall of the plugin ?
By clean reinstall i mean removing the folder in
C:\ProgramData\Arturia\Matrix
And then reinstall.
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: asprog on March 10, 2015, 05:03:07 pm
Ok, so I made a clean reinstall of the plugin with the 1.1.0.522 version (which I already had)

In standalone mode, I changed the buffer size to 128 samples (2.9ms, preset from Matrix) instead of 89 samples (2ms, preset from my soundcard).
All works fine now.

But with my daw, it's always impossible to use Matrix in VST2 or VST3...
The only way to use it is to open it in the Analog Lab VST.
In my daw, I can't choose the 128 samples buffer size, I have only choice between 2ms, 3ms, 4ms, etc... from my soundcard
Even with a 20ms buffer size, it doesn't work!
And it's not on a particular sound preset...

You see before you a very disillusioned man...  :-\

Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: asprog on March 11, 2015, 04:40:36 pm
I made a test with my little keyboard Yamaha MX49 and its audio interface.
In this case, I can choose a 128 samples buffer size and all works fine, even in VST!

My sense is that Matrix likes only multiple of 64 samples buffer size... ???
(Even in standalone, if I come back to a non-multiple of 64 samples buffer size with my Scarlett 6i6, it's unplayable...)

I'd like to have your opinion...
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: ben arturia on March 11, 2015, 05:16:07 pm
You're right.
I've reproduced this bug.
It seems that the Matrix doesn't like this kind of value.
I've been able to run the Matrix with a buffer size of 256 samples with no problems.
The buffer size must be a multiplier of 32.
I'll discuss this with dev team and we will try to fix this in a future update
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: asprog on March 11, 2015, 08:24:05 pm
Oh many thanks Ben!  :)

I'm not mad, I'm happy to know you could reproduce this bug!  ;D

So, good luck to dev team and roll on the future update!

Many thanks for your help.  ;)
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: mpraet on April 07, 2015, 09:29:22 pm
The same here notes are hanging on in all modes ???

solve this or pay my money back I can't do nothing with this synth here !!!
If you are bringing a synth on the market it should work and not hanging on the notes (even in my keyboard vieuw the notes are keep on playing ,and eating CPU at least 25% even when I do not play a note
and responds from Arturia =nothing ,I reported this in februari 2015 and now whe are april2015 ???
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: asprog on April 22, 2015, 12:30:06 pm
More one month later, any news??
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: markireland on May 08, 2015, 04:41:57 am
My MOTU MicroBook II does not offer any 'divisiable x 32' options.

I get hung notes with no sensible response on the Voices page.
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: asprog on May 22, 2015, 02:18:43 pm
Two months later, any news??
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: stuey on May 22, 2015, 02:26:43 pm
My MOTU MicroBook II does not offer any 'divisiable x 32' options.

I get hung notes with no sensible response on the Voices page.


There isn't a checkbox to say "divisiable x 32" or something like that. They mean that you have to ensure that your audio buffer is divisible by 32. So it has to be either set to 32, 64, 128, 256 etc etc

This would be in your software app or DAW, not in the MOTU unit.

If working in 44.1, I imagine this would change if running either 88k or higher

Hope that helps

Stuart 
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: markireland on May 23, 2015, 12:02:31 am
I set the MOTU to 192 and it seems to work. Hth
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: asprog on July 01, 2015, 02:46:05 pm
3 months later, any news??
Can I hope that this issue will be solved or not...??
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: sgtpetter on August 26, 2015, 01:19:53 am
Same here with Pro Tools and Arturia Analog Lab. Notes hang during playback. I have tried updating, reinstalling, changing the Pro Tools buffer to 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, you name it.

Seems like no notes off/stuck notes is common with Arturia. Look at this thread from 2012: http://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=5586.0

One thing I found out though: Usually, if stop playback and play the same note as the one stuck on my midi controller, Analog Lab will shut up until I press play again. But for that to work, I have to make sure the track with the stuck note is highlighted, so that it can receive MIDI from my controller … Indeed ...

One more thing: WHY DOESN'T THE PANIC BUTTON WORK FOR SILENCING THE SOFTWARE? If the MIDI controller trick doesn't work I have to disable/re-enable the plugin.

Here's my setup:
Analog Lab version 1.2.3.728
Pro Tools 11.3.1
OSX 10.9.5

Now I'm gonna try the Blue Cat Patchwork AAX wrapper to see if that helps …
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: NikalMight on September 02, 2015, 02:35:21 pm
I have the stuck notes issue with the latest version in Reaper 4.78 64. Please fix.
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: manofgoodwill on September 02, 2015, 07:44:28 pm
Same problem here, cubase pro 8, up to date. with win8 x64 and a SSL nucleus Soundcard that wont ever let me use some 32 samples mutliples (this sounds like a joke) .
We pay a real big price for your softwares, and it seems that this issue is known for months (and I also have some stuck notes issue with my prophet for years.
can't we, at least, have any compensations for this ???
and please keep us updated.
T.
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: NikalMight on September 04, 2015, 04:19:24 pm
I've noticed that in order to get a stuck note going again you have to press the note again on the keyboard, and it will stop playing. I've also noticed that sometimes it will ignore note on messages as well. My MIDI keyboard(Access Indigo 2) is definitely sending note off messages. This only happens with an external keyboard and the builtin keyboard doesn't have this problem. It also occurs during playback of recorded MIDI.

This means that the synth I was most looking forward to playing is effectively unusable, and I'm very unhappy with the situation.

[edit] I've located a possible suspect for the bug. I've basically modified one of the Play Some Note Arpeggio patches where the VCA 2 is modulated by Env 2. If it's set to zero, the sound fades to nothing. If it's set to anything else the sound goes on forever and plays even without a note on message. It seems that the code for VCA2 or the envelopes may contain the bug.

Another interesting thing which may be of some help in tracking down the bug is that it is present in Reaper and Sonar but not Renoise. I don't know what Renoise does differently.
Title: Re: Sorry but "skipping voices" and "no note off" issues are not solved!
Post by: NikalMight on October 27, 2015, 08:09:12 pm
Seems to be fixed in the latest version :D Thanks!