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Title: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: heckstall on December 19, 2014, 04:05:44 pm
Newbie question: Is it possible to connect both the MIDI Control Center together with my DAW (Reaper in this case) connected as MIDI input channel.
I am only able to connect MCC or DAW. Is there a way to use e.g. LoopBe1 (or MidiYoke or ....). Thank you!
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: stuey on December 19, 2014, 05:02:05 pm
Hi,

The Midi control centre is a universal app that when connected to Arturia devices, can be used to edit their parameters and settings.
The easiest thing to do is to look at the Midi implementation chart of the device you want to control, note down the CC numbers of the desired settings to tweak, then open up your Midi control centre and making sure you have an Arturia product connected, change the relevant values.

What Arturia hardware do you own?

Thanks, Stuart   
 
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: heckstall on December 19, 2014, 10:02:24 pm
Hello Stuart,
I use the Beatstep sequencer/controller. In my Reaper DAW I have VST plugins that I connected to the MIDI output of the Beatstep. Having both DAW and MCC connected is not allowed.
In the past I used a similar application with BFD2 drum VST controlled by drum pads. At the same time a controller like MCC was connected to the drumpad's electronics to tweak several parameters.
I do not see a MIDI-thru on MCC so I guess it cannot be done (pity  :'(). A virtual MIDI-cable would do the job too but I do not know how. I presume I am not the first one with this "problem"?
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: stuey on December 19, 2014, 11:24:51 pm

I do not see a MIDI-thru on MCC so I guess it cannot be done

?
Hi,
I'm not sure I understand... The MCC is just an admin tool really, it's just to write info to your beatstep and whatever other Arturia things you have. It doesn't work as an instrument so it doesn't transmit anything through it, hence no input or output. It will see your beatstep but only to configure it. (Via USB)

Plug in your beatstep into your machine and it should just pick up anything you open, as long as you have the input selected and your midi channels have the appropriate input, then any VST's on that channel will be playable with beatstep (or any controller you have plugged in).

 
In the past I used a similar application with BFD2 drum VST controlled by drum pads.

What did you use before?

I use BFD2 and Abbey Road Drums with beatstep.

I would verify that you have your midi inputs set up correctly, also try it with USB.

Thanks, Stuart



Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: heckstall on December 20, 2014, 08:54:35 am
Hello Stuart,
I guess I do something wrong but;
I connect Beatstep with the MIDI in and output of the DAW. MCC complains when I try to sync it with Beatstep.
When I connect (sync) MCC first with Beatstep my DAW complains another app has already been connected.
So I think MCC and DAW cannot be connected at the same time with Beatstep.

For my eDrums I used Megadrum, a DIY control unit.
Thank you Stuart!
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: stuey on December 20, 2014, 10:21:31 am
MCC complains when I try to sync it with Beatstep

Hi, it needs to be connected via USB to sync, then once set up, you can use Midi. But there is no need to have it open when in your DAW.

Thanks, Stuart
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: heckstall on December 21, 2014, 06:18:06 pm


But there is no need to have it open when in your DAW.

Thanks, Stuart

But that is exactly I want to do:
Configure beatstep controls within MCC, e.g. controls to change drawbar settings of my VST-hammond, and check the effect by activating the controls on Beatstep (and listening to the sound).
Now I have to connect (sync) and disconnected both DAW and MCC again and again.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: stuey on December 21, 2014, 06:59:20 pm

and check the effect by activating the controls on Beatstep


What do you mean by this? Do you mean that you are 'learning' control when you have both open? There's no need to do that.

Restore the default beatstep setting to your computer, rename as hammond then store it on your beatstep - Close MCC
Open your VST, go into learn mode and move the controls you want control for. Either save or come out of the DAW midi learn mode and you should have control. You can now store that setting on any pad you like.

Or if you need different control options, rather than editing the same patch - Save a new one. Duplicate that same preset onto your computer, save onto another pad on your beatstep and change the midi CC for the control you need to alter. Then re-learn that new CC and you have 2 presets.

There is no need to have the MCC open at the same time. If you know the Midi CC numbers you need to edit, just input them, if you don't, you save a default pad and let the software learn the controls.

Hope that helps

Thanks, Stuart



 
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: heckstall on December 21, 2014, 08:58:49 pm
Thank you Stuart!
My PC crashed today so cannot try this at the moment, but I think this will work for me. Did not realize the learn mode
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: frenzy909 on July 08, 2017, 03:25:11 pm
So I also want to be able to run the two at the same time. E.g., to be able to edit the userscale while working in my DAW on a project...

It seems a very severe (and unnecessary) limitation not to be able to do this...?
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: stuey on July 11, 2017, 12:03:38 pm
So I also want to be able to run the two at the same time. E.g., to be able to edit the userscale while working in my DAW on a project...

It seems a very severe (and unnecessary) limitation not to be able to do this...?


There's no need to have it open at the same time. The MCC is purely a utility app and should be used only to edit the hardware you want to set up. Edit CC, pad control and presets then save and forget it.

Why don't you just save 16 variations to the pads and change between them, evenedit them on the fly? Either save the edit or revert to your saved version.

Thanks,Stuart
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: frenzy909 on July 11, 2017, 01:10:44 pm
Why don't you just save 16 variations to the pads and change between them, evenedit them on the fly?

Ok, let me augment: I want to be able to change the "user scale" on my beatstep on the fly. I have not seen a way to do this?

(but I might have missed it, since I also don't see how to edit the assignments of CCs to pads/knobs on-the-fly?)

Any pointer is very welcome!
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: stuey on July 13, 2017, 07:20:09 pm
I'm interested to know what scales you'd want besides the 8 scales you have to your disposal?

When I say 'on the fly' i mean edit notes, for example when you have a sequence running.

Thanks, Stuart 
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: frenzy909 on September 17, 2017, 12:17:48 am
well, any scale I think I'd like to make up at that instant. E.g., if I want to only use one or two notes from a particular drum-synth, it would be very convenient to select a scale with only these two in there. And also for melody making it would be cool to just define arbitrary scales on the fly... ;-)
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: frenzy909 on September 18, 2017, 01:46:23 am
Oh, and according to the manual, there are "some very cool sequencer options that can only be accessed through the included MIDI Control Center software" (swing etc.)

However, that just means that you can't really use them with your DAW... It's only useful for controlling other equipment after you go through the effort of opening up this control center...?

Seems not very well-thought through?
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: Andy Tillison on November 27, 2017, 10:36:29 am
I read this article because I came here asking the same question. Why is it hard to understand why we would need both the MCC and the DAW running together? Each time the original questioner asks, the moderator simply says "you don't need to do this".

Here's why I would like to be able to use both together. I have a project running in Cubase  and would like to audition sounds from my stored banks while doing that.  Perhaps I'll suddenly think, "Oh yeah, that great pad sound I developed last week". And it's not in the instrument memory at the moment.  So - to get it I have to quit the DAW, boot up MCC find the sound I wanted, transfer it, then quit MCC, reboot the DAW and then carry on.  No part of that process is convenient. I, like the original questionner would like to be able to have MCC address my Arturia instrument without an exclusivity problem - in other words I want the DAW and the MCC to be able to talk to the instrument without having to quit either of them. Makes sense. And yes.. my Studiologic Sledge does this just fine so it is not impossible. Any further developments?
   
Title: Re: Use of MCC together with DAW app.?
Post by: lake33 on September 02, 2019, 08:17:34 pm
I had the same problem and this post was still the first result on google, so I'm bumping an old thread.

My solution was in addition to using the MIDI USB, to also plug a MIDI cable from the Arturia's MIDI Out to my Audio Interface's MIDI IN. I then deactivated the Arturia's Out/In in my DAW. This way the DAW communicates through the Audio Interface and the MMC communicates through the Arturia's USB MIDI.

I wish there was a better solution, because I'd also like two of my other keyboards to communicate through the Audio Interface, and my MIDI Merger only has two ports. Maybe there's some sort of Software workaround using JACK? Whatever.