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Arturia Software Center (ASC) => Free Speech => Topic started by: LBH on December 02, 2014, 06:17:17 pm
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Hi,
This is not a Jupiter problem but about The Arturia Software Center.
Ben has helped before so hope it's allright to post here.
Why is Spark Vintage Drum Machines and Analog Laboratory not found in the new Arturia Software Center?
Would be nice if all applications was avtivated and managed thru the Center.
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Hello,
Spark vdm is replaced by spark 2 and laboratory by analog lab in vcoll 4 which is at this very hour coming live. And the center is introduced with it.
That is why
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years pass, the graphics are renewed and are catchy, but the substance remains the same: badly written software that crashes and crashes.
there is no end to the worst, and there was no a time when I used these plugins that I had no a problem ..
I contacted support several times but nothing.
I was hoping that this time things had improved, but deep I felt that something would not work.
so I decided to install the new ASC and try updating the Modular, what I use less, so in case of problems would be marginal. and so it was. there is no way to update the authorization of the plugin, and when you click the dialog box flashes and nothing happens, except that after a while ableton crashes. end of the games!
I spoke with 3 other friends, the same problem, except that they have installed all the updates and now they are in trouble!
and does not end here ..
analog laboratory ends its existence and is replaced by Analog Lab, which is NOT FREE for owners of the old v-coll.
now updating the synth, the old versions are removed!
the analog laboratory does not recognize them anymore, so it is no longer possible to open the synth to change all the parameters!
I would like to know how the hell you think in Arturia because frankly do not understand them.
who I reimburse the plugin which now does not work anymore as it should? really believe that I buy a new plugin to do the same things to one which already possessed, and you have made it unusable ??
if I can advise you, do not keep doing the same fucking mistakes.
instead of holding different instruments in parallel trying to solve the problem and then not succeed, make analog lab free for the old owners, also because it is our right, we have bought in the past and now, it is not right, not being able to use more! Now you should wasting strength and energy in old software with all the problems that you have?
I ask for a clear stance on your part about how you will face these problems. thanks
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Earlier today on your forum, and via a youtube video, I saw that you are expanding the ability to use the software on more than one machine.
Does this mean that I can license my current Analog Experience, The Laboratory 49 on my new iMac in addition to the current pc that it is registered to?
Do I have to insert the installation CD in order to do so? Can you provide me with some direction please? I want to learn how to use my Arturia gear with Pro Tools on the iMac while I am finishing my current recording in Sonar on the PC.
Thanks.
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The latest version of software center will not launch on my machine?
It simply bounces in the dock and has to be forced to quit?
10.8.5
Mac Pro 2010
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Earlier today on your forum, and via a youtube video, I saw that you are expanding the ability to use the software on more than one machine.
Does this mean that I can license my current Analog Experience, The Laboratory 49 on my new iMac in addition to the current pc that it is registered to?
Do I have to insert the installation CD in order to do so? Can you provide me with some direction please? I want to learn how to use my Arturia gear with Pro Tools on the iMac while I am finishing my current recording in Sonar on the PC.
Thanks.
Hello, about this yes you can now use your software on up to five machines.
To do this just install the softwares on another machine and activate it once more.
This is only for Arturia Software center versions
Best
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years pass, the graphics are renewed and are catchy, but the substance remains the same: badly written software that crashes and crashes.
there is no end to the worst, and there was no a time when I used these plugins that I had no a problem ..
I contacted support several times but nothing.
I was hoping that this time things had improved, but deep I felt that something would not work.
so I decided to install the new ASC and try updating the Modular, what I use less, so in case of problems would be marginal. and so it was. there is no way to update the authorization of the plugin, and when you click the dialog box flashes and nothing happens, except that after a while ableton crashes. end of the games!
I spoke with 3 other friends, the same problem, except that they have installed all the updates and now they are in trouble!
and does not end here ..
analog laboratory ends its existence and is replaced by Analog Lab, which is NOT FREE for owners of the old v-coll.
now updating the synth, the old versions are removed!
the analog laboratory does not recognize them anymore, so it is no longer possible to open the synth to change all the parameters!
I would like to know how the hell you think in Arturia because frankly do not understand them.
who I reimburse the plugin which now does not work anymore as it should? really believe that I buy a new plugin to do the same things to one which already possessed, and you have made it unusable ??
if I can advise you, do not keep doing the same fucking mistakes.
instead of holding different instruments in parallel trying to solve the problem and then not succeed, make analog lab free for the old owners, also because it is our right, we have bought in the past and now, it is not right, not being able to use more! Now you should wasting strength and energy in old software with all the problems that you have?
I ask for a clear stance on your part about how you will face these problems. thanks
Lest make this simple,
First and foremost, I am sorry you are encountering trouble.
Now Modulars has received a lot of fixes, like all other existing softwares, as you can see in the release notes, (the "i" on the page http://www.arturia.com/downloads ).
About Laboratory, I understand your point but Analog Lab replaced it for free,
it may not be perfect, but it is still a nice value. There will be no port of this one in the future.
this is why the analog laboratory license gives access for free to analog lab.
I'm not aware of the problems you had with the support but the MAIN reason we changed the protection system is to have a chance to focus our efforts on fixing the bugs instead of answering for eLicenser support.
So consider it as a huge step forward in that direction.
And you are free to report bugs on the forum, and support if you want with a report of your issue and we will look at it.
Saying that all plugs are buggy or crap will sadly not help much to solve you issues.
I hope you we can fix your issue ASAP, please the best way to help is to send to me, or samuel, or ben a report of the issue.
Best
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Earlier today on your forum, and via a youtube video, I saw that you are expanding the ability to use the software on more than one machine.
Does this mean that I can license my current Analog Experience, The Laboratory 49 on my new iMac in addition to the current pc that it is registered to?
Do I have to insert the installation CD in order to do so? Can you provide me with some direction please? I want to learn how to use my Arturia gear with Pro Tools on the iMac while I am finishing my current recording in Sonar on the PC.
Thanks.
Hello, about this yes you can now use your software on up to five machines.
To do this just install the softwares on another machine and activate it once more.
This is only for Arturia Software center versions
Best
So, I can have it installed on the PC and on the IMac simultaneously, just hooking up the Laboratory 49 controller up to each machine back & forth as desired?
Cool, now if I can get the iMac to recognize the controller as it is currently not detecting any midi output from it, despite confirming correct connections.
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HI Adrien,
http://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=83556.0
Please take a look at this. I do agree that replacing the Analogue Laboratory with the Analog Lab and without the features of the previous version; is a bit frustrating.
Especially when Arturia made hardware to suit a software application which was then updated and features that were on the hardware were removed from the updates. It happened with the original Spark which took sometime to resolve with constant forum and email communication.
It's fine to update software and release new hardware to support that, but at least follow support for previous applications. Currently V4 has removed plug ins from the Laboratory application but Analog Lab doesn't offer scene mode as the previous version did.
Thanks, Stuart
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Ditto.
It seems like we're being forced to purchase a new product by eliminating our ability to use the old product, that we purchased.
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Hello,
Spark vdm is replaced by spark 2 and laboratory by analog lab in vcoll 4 which is at this very hour coming live. And the center is introduced with it.
That is why
Just saw this.
Are you saying, that if one do not buy the new V-collection 4, then it's not possible for one to quit the eLicenser?
Do you say Arturia forces people to buy V collection 4 if we wan't to use our payed for products?
Off coarse the products sold to people including the ones i mention has to be in the Arturia Software Center too, as it's applications that is payed for. Otherwise eLicenser is not skiped, or arturia make some payed for products useless, and has sold them recently without saying they will be useless. Is that legal? Don't think so.
Points with the Arturia Sofware Center is to skip eLicenser and haveboth activations and updates thru the Center. Can only be done, if all applikations is in the center, including Spark VDM am Analog Laboratory and other sold products.
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Hello all
I am curious as to what is considered free speech. I posted this early Thursday morning and yet to see it approved on the first free speech section at the top of the forum:
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Hello all
For the most part, I have had a positive experience with Keylab 25, and Keylab 49, Mini V, and the V3 Collection on my Windows 8.1 pc, and my Yosemite. However, the
switch to the new ASC seems to indicate a "challenge" to activation and losing old settings and software.
If you do not upgrade to ASC, does it disable the elicense system at some future date?
New updates, even, with the old system, seem for some folks problematic. What if I do not ever upgrade? be
Was there actually beta testing, and if there was, adequately and lengthily, a group that can mollify concerns about updates and upgrades?
I see that I now have a coupon for VC4. Can I keep VC3 on one system and upgrade to VC4 on the other, and keep both systems authorized/activated?
Finally, I myself appreciate the hard work Arturia must be incurring, but I am concerned that overwhelming or catastrophic updates/upgrades might be some sort of a disincentive."
Is there some sort of blockade on approving some messages about ASC/VC4 at times?
Cheers and thanks
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Every eLicenser activation code will continue to work and will not be disabled in the future.
You can still use them for the products that are not supported by the ASC, and pre-ASC versions of the VC3 products.
If you upgrade from VC3 to VC4, you will keep your eLicenser activation codes, which can be used to authorize any VC3 product, including Analog Laboratory and Spark VDM.
So yes, you can use eLicenser on a computer and the ASC on another (or both protections on the same computer).
Also, any Analog Laboratory licence gives you access to Analog Lab in the ASC.
@carlosrr: I don't know why your post wasn't approved, but I hope that answered your concerns.
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Hello Mathieu
Many thanks for the answer. However I have one more question. I have the coupon in my account, but see that it expires 15 January 2015. With all of the challenges currently and probably to be expected with various synths, is Arturia considering the extension of the deadline? I would love to get VC4 but wanted to wait till it was "fixed" in this non-beta period. :)
Cheers and thanks
Carlos
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Hello,
You can contact the sales but this is not planned.
Best
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Hello Mathieu
Many thanks for the answer. However I have one more question. I have the coupon in my account, but see that it expires 15 January 2015. With all of the challenges currently and probably to be expected with various synths, is Arturia considering the extension of the deadline? I would love to get VC4 but wanted to wait till it was "fixed" in this non-beta period. :)
Cheers and thanks
Carlos
You could always buy now, install later :)
Thanks, Stuart
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Hi Stuart,
So, as it stands I can buy before 15 January, and wait to install after the air clears? Do I get a link to download, or does the whole thing try to download at one time? In addition, when I install in on my PC, can I also wait to install on my Mac until much later? And, does the download without installation invoke the new ASC? Finally, am I able to partition either my PC drive, or, iMac drive, so that I could have both VC3 and VC4 installed at the same time?
I know, too many questions. I just want to make sure that when I get VC4 I don't spend endless hour trying to fix a million challenges, as currently it seems to be the case :)
Cheers and thanks
Carlos
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HI Carlos
It does appear to be one thing after the other but it rather depends on what you need it for. Although I have the entire suite, I have 2 go to plug ins and find that I rarely use the rest. Mini V works perfectly, Spark has no or very few issues, these are my 2 fave plugs. Although the Solina V is starting to appear on that list too and that needs a bit more RAM as it does crackle with low buffers set.
Analog Lab bugs are currently being looked at.
Are you currently running V Collection 3?
If you buy it now you can activate it so it appears in your Arturia account, then it's yours. Then wait until you are happy to install it, it's doesn't auto install once you buy it.
To install it: In your account you'll get a link, this is to a web app that then downloads V Collection 4. You can custom install parts of V4, you don't have to install all of it. It will also download the ASC, here you will be able to activate the licenses for the products you've bought. You can do this on both a Mac and PC as you get 5 activations. When updates are available it will ask you if you want to install them, but honestly...
My experience of V4 is:
Spark: (My Version) had issues which I sorted out by swapping the AAX plug in for an earlier version.
Analog Lab had bugs which are now being dealt with - Midi prefs etc
Solina V is a bit RAM heavy and really needs a gutsy machine to run smoothly - As all VI's do to a certain extent
If you use Analog Laboratory then I would wait until there is a workflow to export presets from Analog Laboratory to Analog Lab. Currently the exported files end in a different suffix, meaning that there seems no easy way to get your Analog Laboratory presets into Analog Lab. A workaround would have been to save them in the standalone versions (Provided you have purchased them individually) then open them up via Analog Lab, but they have pulled support for V4 standalone versions in Analog Laboratory so that is not possible.
All synths lost audio/midi prefs after the install of V4 but all apart from Analog Lab, it was just a case of re-seleting them
All other synths were fine.
What I tend to do it install updates on my laptop and keep current working versions on my main audio machine, this way I can test on my laptop and I know I can still work with current working version on my main production system. You could partitions your mac in 2, install an OS on each partition and install V3 on one and V4 on the other but if you have 2 machines, just install 1 on your PC and the other on your mac. Partitioning your machine just to test seems a little over the top when 98% of issues are minor.
Hope that helps
Thanks, Stuart
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Hi Stuart
One more question: When I install it on my Windows 8.1 system, do I uninstall VC3, or, does VC4 overwrite my previous installation of VC3?
Cheers and thanks
Carlos
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Hi Stuart
One more question: When I install it on my Windows 8.1 system, do I uninstall VC3, or, does VC4 overwrite my previous installation of VC3?
Cheers and thanks
Carlos
Hi Carlos,
No, this is why you can't have V3 & 4 on the same system, it updates your original install.
Thanks, Stuart
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Hi Stuart,
OK, I bought VC4 with the coupon, I got a message that featured this:
"Licence
Serial Number:
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Unlock Code:
XXXXXXXXX
Licence Status:
registered
Upgrade from V Collection 3:"
However, when I checked out, and went back to download two things happened: I downloaded the ASC software, and did not receive an activation code--I suspect that weekend/holidays/normal events mean that it may take some time to receive an activation code (by email?) to go with the serial nr, and the unlock code, both of which got to me by email. Do I download the demo while I await the activation code? Secondly, in going back and forth my account, the details on my account page are back to pre-purchase moments, where the coupon is still to be used, and no product for VC4 upgrade as it showed after I first bought it. Is that normal, that a purchase disappears, for if not my credit card got charged already and I have saved the order and purchase pages as HMTL files?
I know the holidays may slow everything down, but I wanted to be sure that I was going to receive the activation code that I purchased already, instead of having to buy it again.
Cheers, many thanks, and have a good weekend.
Carlos
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Hey Carlos
You have everything you need to install v4. With the download link you can install v4 via a web app, this will install the asc and all the apps. Once all has installed you can just activate it.
( there's an 'activate' button in the asc)
Before you do that, register it via your account, here just use your serial and the unlock code that you got, it will then appear
Happy new year!
Thanks, Stuart
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Happy Holidays Stuart
OK, let me get this straight so I do the right thing :)
Do I install the ASC software first?
Where is the link to the files for VC4?
As the product page shows my coupon as still virginal, and the purchase of VC4 as a update is no longer showing, will the authentication system still recognize the purchased license/serial nr/unlock code?
I did d/l ASC but did not install it as I was not sure of the order.
Cheers, thanks for the answers and your patience.
Carlos "Old, old, dog learning new tricks" Rivera
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Stuart, I forget to mention that the only link I have available is to d/l the demo of VC4.
Is that the link you mentioned, as there is seemingly no other.
Cheers
CRR
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Stuart, me again---I do not have an option to register VC4, for it no longer exists on my products page. That is why I am concerned. I was able to capture it for HTML when it came up, but trying to go back an forth on my accounts pages seems to have erased any "digital" evidence that I purchased it already, and as I see, the coupon is still virginal :)
I know I am a bit confused, and confusing.
Cheers
Carlos
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Stuart,
I did find the how to register at the top and when I used the serial nr and unlock code three times I got this repeatedly:
"Registration Failed
Ooch, sorry but something went wrong !
This licence is not valid, please check again the Serial and unlock code, provided to you
Please contact the Technical Center or retry to register"
I suspect that my purchase is not showing on their end, and I did open a ticket as it seems that my credit card was charged, a message from Arturia's pay handler did send me a confirmation, but nothing on the Arturia account shows that purchase or use of the coupon. Sigh. Do you think that if I tell my credit company to contest the charge, more direct action might be forthcoming? :)
cheers
Carlos