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Harware Legacy versions => Origin => General Discussion on Origin => Topic started by: TheMoonP on July 19, 2012, 08:04:04 am
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Dear people of Arturia,
About 2 years ago I bought myself the Arturia Origin desktop for almost 2500 euros. After reading and looking up as much as possible on this synth, I thought it would be my dreamsynth where I could finalize and level up my cd that I was working on at the time. The ads I've read were talking about Jupiter 8, ARP 2600, Mini Mg, Prophet 5, Mg Modular and VS. When I bought it, there was no Prophet 5, nor the VS... not even the Jupiter 5 nor the Mg Modular. I had to be pleased with the synths Arturia added sporadicly. The main reason for my purchase were the sounds of the Mg Modular and I'm still awaiting them after 2 years! As I can read on the forum, the only one responsible for the feedback on the Origin is Phillip and he has to await your approvals.
I've been a keyboard user for 35 years (had over 50 synths), but I have NEVER encountered something like this. If you would take the time to just take a look at the forum you would notice I'm not the only one complaining. There are people outthere selling their device they have purchased for 2500 euros or over now for a measly 800 euros! It's an outrage that you have pushed them this far. ??? ???
I have 2 questions and really hope you will finally take the time to respond to them. And PLEASE not like with the other forum user by just removing their posting!
1: When do you think it will be safe enough to update the version 1.4 with an Imac MC OS X 10.7.4, without any bugs? Or are you expecting us to also purchase a Windows PC?
2: When can I expect the Mg MODULAR? Is it going to be the 1.5 version or the never.to.be version?? A friend of mine had the old version of MM running on his PC (XP version), sounds that I can't get out of my Origin... not even close!
I'm really hoping for a positive answer, cause I would like to keep my Origin for a little while longer, altough my frustration is growing strong!
yours truly,
marcE
ps: Phillip, this is not towards you, I don't blame you for what your bosses ask you to type
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I am just Origin user so everything here is speculation:
I strongly believe that Mg Modular is too complex for Origin. Does it even have enough memory for its programming and enough CPU power for running it? I don't know. In fact, even if they could make it still it would be difficult to program from this quite large but in this case too small screen, right? I've been many times suggesting for having computer-GUIs for those templates - maybe Arturia could use their V-synths for that (at least for graphics). For Modular this integration would be even more important.
I've been closely checking those newest updates and great work of Philippe. It seems that updating Origin isn't very easy task. Sometimes I wonder why so many things seem to go backwards when making new things for Origin. I mean after updates things that worked fine before do not work anymore.
To be fair with Arturia, they have given many other things that wasn't planned at early stage of Origin. New FX structure of 1.4 is just one example. This is not to say that I would not be very happy to have something like Mg Modular. I just fear that this is the most unlikely thing to happen. Let's see if we get CS-80 or any new template in near future. On the other hand, I feel that those templates are quite important for selling Origin. There are tons of VAs with complex structures, but not that much vintage emulations (in hardware synths). Also, those templates with graphical GUIs are the most fascinating things for myself - it's marvellous thing to fool myself that I am playing MiniMg or Jupiter8. It's almost irrelevant how much they actually sound like real ones cause I cannot make real comparison.
All of us seem to have different perspective and different priorities how Origin should develope. And thanks to Philippe, something is still happening! As a comparison, just think about big company Roland and their one flagship V-piano: nothing much has happened since its release and it has been years. It's marvellous brave product in principal, but Roland has left this project in its early stage and lot potential seems to be left unrealized.
I've stated my priorities many times: I'd like to have little more modern modules like hypersaw osc. Also, I wouldn't mind better computer integration: graphical editor and librarian. About templates why wouldn't they concider those simpler things like Oberhaim SEM (now we already have filter)?
Anyway Arturia can only say what's really happening or is Origin little by little going out of the business. Hopefully not the latter. All this been said, I am quite sure that Arturia is afraid to give any promises anymore. There are so many angry or frustrated original Origin users waiting for those templates that seemed to be available in near future when they bought it...
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I have an iMac latest OS and updated to 1.4 with no problems.
I have arturia MM on mac, whilst programming can be hard work on origin, I honestly have not found a sound that I like on MM that I can't get on origin?
1.4 is v good update, SEM particularly impressive and not originally part of development, but I think, although can't prove, that arturia listened to our requests.
Ian
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I share most of your claims.
As I have bought my Origin there were a lot of official (named in the milestone on Arturias website) promises for coming features, which never made it to the machine. I have big doubts that they ever will be released.
I still think that Origin is a great machine and the are some people at Arturia, which are care by heart about origin, but Arturias strategy is almost against the Origin. There are delays for promised features and some are cancelled totally. I have copies of Interviews and the inital milestone for the case Arturia decides to drop Origins development.
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Oh dear... firstly, buy a machine (and love it) for what it does today, not for what it's promised it might do tomorrow.
That said, I have questions and doubts about Arturia's commitment to the Origin. As I understand it, Philippe is the only developer working on the Origin? For a product of this complexity, that is frankly ridiculous and it makes me think that either: 1) Arturia has no commitment to maintaining this amazing synth now they've realized how much work it is; or 2) Arturia now have too many products and they cannot effectively support them all.
I speak as someone with over 20 years experience in the software industry...
Andreas
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2: When can I expect the Mg MODULAR? Is it going to be the 1.5 version or the never.to.be version?? A friend of mine had the old version of MM running on his PC (XP version), sounds that I can't get out of my Origin... not even close!
The Mg Modular V template was never promised to my knowledge. There are only 24 available slots in the Origin, and some modules will eat up too much CPU resources to allow a full 24, like the Bode Frequency Shifter. There are many more modules on the MMV.
Having said that, I've created Mg Modular 55 patches that use only four or five oscillators, two to four filters, and a smattering of other modules such as mixers, EGs and LFOs. And listen, if you can't make a honking good patch from four OSCs and filters, you just don't know how to program.
I have to add that programming this thing is easy to get lost in. Not just because it is a bit tedious, but mostly because the options are so overwhelming - there is SO much you can do with this beast! I have often begun to string together modules, and then grind to a halt as I wonder just what the heck to do with all this available power. Most of the time, I quit and go to one of my "template" instruments I created, and begin twisting knobs to see what comes of it.
While there are limits to this little beige and gray box, those limits are incredibly vast in scale. This really is a synth designed for synthesists like me, who want to create not just patches and sounds, but entire instruments. New instruments like the Kronos and Jupiter-80 might have more power, but the possibilities of Origin are essentially infinite.
Just start messing with the thing, and see where it takes you. I still have light years worth of sonic potential to explore...
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Dear Origin Users ,
To Jackson P: If i would be true, that the CPU doesn't have the power to reproduce the Mg Modular, why was it all portraited so distinctly in the ads of Arturia?? If we think about it rationally, all we need is de Osc and the Filter to make the same sound as the MM in the Origin. That's all it takes, cause you can go far with the modules that are allready inside it. Much further than what they are now. The oscillator that are currently available (Mini Mg, Roland,...) aren't enough. You can always use the VCA from other synth modules.
I bought the Origin for the Mg Modular, cause I know how the Arturia MM sounds on the pc and I like to work with synths much more than with pcs.
So Arturia: just the osc and the Filters of the the Mg Modular: that's all we need.
To IAA: Of course you're right, but I only want an update when I'm sure that everything is allright and without any bugs. I'm sick and tired of all those crashes and to have to restart all over again.
To Superwaldi: Thanks, if Arturia promises something to their customers who invested 2500 euro to join their 'adventure', they'll have to keep their promises. The Origin is a great machine, but not exactly what they told in the first place.
To ASch: you are correct, Arturia works on too many projects at the same time, so they've started neglecting others.
To synthguy99: Please , teek a look at the Arturia advertising ???
And now to the bosses at Arturia:
When do we, YOUR Origin users, get a clear answer and get us out of the obscurity? We're all big customers of Arturia (2500 euros is not a small amount, right) and all we ask for is a finished product. Fullfil your promises!!!
greetings,
marcE
PS: Phillip: please show this to your bosses and let it be clear that we have nothing against you personnally ;)
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Marce,
From my perspective it is solid and the update was fine, no problems, just followed instructions.
I really am not sure what you want from origin that you think you can get with MM. As I said I have both, and as synthguy says the programming can be harder in origin, but pretty much endless.
What sound are you after that you can't programme, perhaps that's a better question for us to help you with?
IAA
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it says this on the origin page:
"Create your own patch or use existing audio structures:
- Origin patch made by connecting independent modules from: MiniMg, ARP 2600, CS-80, Jupiter-8, Mg Modular, Prophet 5, Prophet VS, Oberheim SEM
- Origin template synths: MiniMg, Jupiter 8"
I'm not trying to be a smartass, this is a genuine question, is this spec. accurate?
(i had been kinda wondering about getting one...already been a little burnt with spark and don't want to be again)
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Dear friends,
Let me be clear one more time, I only bought the Origin for the sound I was expecting from the Arturia Mg Modular. With the current capacity it's impossible to make a sound like that. I can do it even better with my Waldorf Q. The pre-programmed oscilators just aren't sufficient to create a Mg Modular sound. Ditto for the filters.
I am aware that Arturia can't program the entire Mg Modular V into the Origin, that wouldn't even be clever. What about the patch corps... all of those on that little screen??
I'm not asking for 24 modules, just the principle ones so I can make a MM sound.
What I mean with sound: I'm a huge Tangerine Dream, Klaus Shulze and Redshift-fan, especially the sequences they make.
Just take a moment to listen to the sequences on the cd on the lp or cd Encore from Tangerine Dream as a primal example. Or the ones from Schulze or Redschift ;) Those deep bass sequences, those are the ones I want to create and had expected to create with the Origin. It's all possible with the Mg Modular V and it's not even that hard to do. So why isn't it possible with a 2500 euros piece of equiptment, from the same firm, that made that amazing software for the MM??
I hope this is a better clarification to you all ;)
greetings,
MarcE
ps: I do think the Origin is a great synth, I just had expected so much more, esp from Arturia
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I'm a bit skeptical here. The reason being that the MiniMg, the real one, used the essential filter circuitry from the Modular, as well as an updated oscillator. And while a MiniMg doesn't sound exactly like a Modular, the instrument which made its mark creating bass and lead sounds used over the past 40-plus years is the Mini.
I have the Mg Modular V, and haven't used it yet. I want to, but I don't have a dedicated music PC which can play it without lag. Plus, the sounds in the patch library are a bit underwhelming, to be honest. To me, though others are plenty happy with it. Now, maybe I'm an ace programmer or something, but there's not a sound on any album out that I haven't been either to nail or make better on the Origin. Being a lazy butt, and pinched for time, I'm putting off using it until a vacation opens up in August. I still have to install the SEM update, but expect to get lost in sonic experimentation all over again.
What's more, I've been able to get "that bass" on a number of synths from Viruses through Radiases, even romplers like the KORG M3 and Yamaha Motif. Even got close on a JP-8000. But the filters on the Origin are much better, and I have yet to play with the Oberheim SEM filter, which sounds superb in demos.
If someone with the MMV and an Origin can't recreate the patches from the Modular, something is wrong somewhere. Tweaking is everything, and in case you aren't aware, no two MiniMgs sound exactly alike, or a Mini and the news Mg Voyager. But you can get the Voyager to sound very much like the Mini if you adjust it carefully. This doesn't mean the Voyager is deficient in any way, just that it's different. Just as the Origin is going to be a little different from the MMV. For one thing, the Modular is a softsynth, and is most likely being recorded directly into a sequencer, isn't it? With the Origin, you have to have good Belden or better cables, you need a studio quality interface, or mixer to interface, or use good digital cables from the digital out to a studio quality interface. Sound levels need to be matched. If you aren't doing these things, the Origin will sound a little off, or a lot. If you're having trouble tweaking the Origin to your satisfaction, if you know any programmer friends who understand synthesizers, ask them to give it a try sometime. Offer beer or pizza as a bribe. ;)
Another thing is, have you checked out the patch libraries available here on the site? Did you miss that there are libraries specific to artists such as Tangerine Dream, Klause Schultz, Tomita, Genesis and others?
In any case, for want of anything else to try, experiment. To me, the Origin is the most wonderful instrument I've ever experienced - though I haven't been exposed to the Sonic Core system or Solaris, which might be better, who knows. Regardless, I've never failed to create a wonderful sound with it that met or exceeded my desires. And as I said before, with a few OSCs and filters in a patch, if you can't create what you want, you just need to find someone who knows how to program and work with you.
Whenever my heart burns for something like a real Synthesizers.com or MOTM modular, it just takes a few minutes with the Origin to make me think it's not such a burning issue after all. ;D
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I have been a customer of Arturia's soft-synths for about five years. I have only become interested in the Origin some months ago for various reasons. So I guess I am lucky because I haven't had to go through 4 years of expecting/waiting for certain features.
The way I look at it, it is nothing short of a miracle that the Origin, and especially Origin Keyboard have seen the light of day in the first place. I have built, programmed and played synths for three decades and to me Origin is the absolute dream machine in its current state, just as it is right now.
I was disappointed at first that there was no CS80 template, but once I had my hands on it, that sentiment went out the window because I saw that there are only minimal benefits to templates on a machine like this, with such a deep sea of modular programmability. The possibilities are staggering. I can understand some of the frustrations from early adopters, but I just thought I'd share my perspective. I am optimistic that Origin will continue to evolve for a long time.
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Just take a moment to listen to the sequences on the cd on the lp or cd Encore from Tangerine Dream as a primal example. Or the ones from Schulze or Redschift ;) Those deep bass sequences, those are the ones I want to create and had expected to create with the Origin.
Hi MarkE, is there a specific piece or passage from Tangerine Dream's Encore that you are trying to recreate?
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Dear friends,
Please don't start treating me as a newbie ???. I've given my share of contributions as a sounddesigner (not here, but for other synths). There are thousands of people using the sounds that I've created. I even won a sound contest ;D (Benelux one ,MS2000 ) and got a Korg Triton as a prize, all because I brought there synth to a higher level. So you don't have to start explaining the differences between the Mini Mg and the Modular, I would be ashamed if I wouldn't know that allready. I myself have 2 good ears that can hear the difference between synthsounds.
About the patches on this website, they're all in my Origin. So also the ones from Tangerine Dream, Tomita, and so on... I would be the last one to claim that the sounds aren't good, cause I know how long it takes to create one. But to state that you can hear a Modular in them?? NO WAY! With the software version it was a lot better. And to convince me to check my cables... hmmmm... well, I've been playing my synths for 34 years now (thirty-four yes)... so I'm taking a wild guess and 'think' that I know which are right or not.
Please let us stay onto the subject and just ask Arturia to program the principle modules of the Mg Modular V (ok, Modular V :D) into the Origin.
For the people that want to know what I mean with Modular seq: check on Youtube, Klaus Shulze Live 1977 (Better Image & sound). I searched for this example, cause not everyone owns a cd or lp of Tangerine Dream.
Greetings,
marcE
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The ads I've read were talking about Jupiter 8, ARP 2600, Mini Mg, Prophet 5, Mg Modular and VS. When I bought it, there was no Prophet 5, nor the VS... not even the Jupiter 5 nor the Mg Modular.
2: When can I expect the Mg MODULAR? Is it going to be the 1.5 version or the never.to.be version??
TheMoonP: I think you may have misinterpreted Arturia's marketing claims about Origin. The following text is copied from the Origin specifications per January 2011 (http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=4496.msg14580#msg14580).
- Create your own synthesis patch by connecting independent modules. These modules are either innovative modules we introduced (such as Galaxy) or taken from the best synthesizers ever made (such as the Mg Modular, the Yamaha CS-80, the Roland Jupiter-8, the MiniMg, the ARP 2600, the Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 and Prophet VS).
- Alternatively, use an existing synthesizer recreation: the MiniMg, the ARP 2600*, the Jupiter-8* or the Prophet 5*
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* To be delivered later on as a free upgrade
As you can see, no complete Mg Modular was promised. The specs simply state that some Origin modules are derived from the named synths. It is also interesting to see that a CS-80 template was not promised in the specs. However, a CS-80 template was presented in the milestones as the main feature of OS 1.5.
[ Q1 2011 ] 1.5 Version
- New template : CS80
Other new features and enhancements to be confirmed.
I would love a CS-80 template on Origin, as that would make the perfomance controls more accessible than they are when using a custom CS-80-like patch. Other than that, I'd prefer if Arturia prioritized bug fixes and UI enhancements over development of new modules. Some things that need to be fixed are MIDI performance controller (PB, AT, CC) smoothing and constant rate portamento scaling. Necessary UI improvements include automatic encoder mapping to the currently open module so editing is simplified. While the dedicated osc, filter, LFO and envelope panel controls allow access to the main sound parameters, it is rather convoluted to adjust modulation depths, especially if you are adjusting several modules after another.
Like you, TheMoonP, I find it worrying that the Origin developer has to ask management for permission to make a bugfix OS release. I wonder what Arturia's current long-term vision for Origin is.
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Like you, TheMoonP, I find it worrying that the Origin developer has to ask management for permission to make a bugfix OS release. I wonder what Arturia's current long-term vision for Origin is.
Developers always have to ask management for permissions and priorities - that's why there are project managers and developers, otherwise developers tend to get lost in their own concerns without a eye to the bigger picture ;) that's just how software development works, at least it always has in every company I've been part of.
Any hoo...
Andreas
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Necessary UI improvements include automatic encoder mapping to the currently open module so editing is simplified. While the dedicated osc, filter, LFO and envelope panel controls allow access to the main sound parameters, it is rather convoluted to adjust modulation depths, especially if you are adjusting several modules after another.
That kind of context switching would be nice. The main tweaking of a patch is often in the modulation depths. And when the user is editing the details of a module, they are not really interested in the encoder knobs doing what they do in "Live" mode. It would be good if the user could define the encoder mapping for each module and save the mapping globally. Feature creep...
What would the control panel look like if there was a hardware knob for all parameters in all modules, for a 4-program Multi, 20 modules per program = 80 modules plus 12 32-step sequencers? It would be a monstrous Hans Zimmer-esque wall of knobs spanning the entire room. Maybe that would be a good marketing image to visualize the power of Origin.
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From my perspective it is solid and the update was fine, no problems, just followed instructions.
Really? Create a new patch and add a Joymixer. Now try to open and edit the Joymixer. You can't. 1.4 broke a module which is inexcusable. How could this possibly have been tested when something so simple doesn't work? I am sure there are more...
James R. Coplin
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I have a big long post in response to TheMoonP I was working on today, but rather than post that, I'll wait until I go on my vacation next week and can have a lot of quality time to spend with my synths before I make a direct reply. But just going on the basis of the Klause Schultze video he mentioned, I'm baffled. I think any programmer who understands the essentials of synthesis should be able to pretty much recreate that entire performance on the Origin, and come pretty darn close on a Virus, or Kurzweil, or even any rompler with good filters - Roland Fantom users will have quite a job doing everything right, unfortunately.
But honestly... I'm just at a loss as to what magical timbres TheMoonP is hearing that the Origin can't do right. Every patch Klause is using is quite basic, and I know I have similar sounds lurking in my KORG M3 rompler somewhere. And yes, I know that MoonP is very picky about the sound of the filters and such, and maybe it's because I'm about as picky as he is, or that I'm a careful tweaker, but I can get some great Modular Mg-ish sounds on just about anything.
One more thing I would add, is have you or anyone checked out chimpy's Tangerine Dream Tribute song he posted in the Origin Users Community board? The direct link to his thread is here. (http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=6770.0) According to him, just about every melodic synthesizer sound comes from the Origin. Does that sound Tangerine Dream-y enough? ;)
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I like Klaus Schulze so I spent a little time coming up with an Origin multi and sequence that is like the performance in the YouTube link that TheMoonP / marcE pointed out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSZL0DPmlkQ
Here is my (rough) rendition of it - not meant to recreate it exactly, just the main elements
http://soundcloud.com/paul-schilling/forbarrygraves-v2
alternate version with slightly different settings:
http://soundcloud.com/paul-schilling/klaus-schulze-for-barry-graves
With some more tweaking and additional "noise" patches it could approach the original a lot more but I don't know if that is really the point. I'll post the Origin programs and sequence used in the Presets & Templates section
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I like Klaus Schulze so I spent a little time coming up with an Origin multi and sequence that is like the performance in the YouTube link that TheMoonP / marcE pointed out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSZL0DPmlkQ
Here is my (rough) rendition of it - not meant to recreate it exactly, just the main elements
http://soundcloud.com/paul-schilling/forbarrygraves-v2
Very nice! You've got a good ear!
Andreas
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Yes, that was very good, as is chimpy's piece I linked to. I think I'll go ahead and make that post.
First, about Klause Schultze's music track. To begin with, he has evidently interfaced a number of those synths to his Modular Mg, which you will notice as he begins adjusting settings on the MicroMg just after the 2:15 mark - and which he is clearly not playing. I suspect the MiniMg is interfaced to play voices on the Modular or something, perhaps even the ARP 2600, as when he begins playing it, there is a subtle phase shifter effect on the sound, so subtle that it sounds like the effect is on a separate synth voice. This wouldn't be surprising, as these vintage instruments were given basic interfacing capabilities back then in order for the true synthesists like Klause, Edgar Froese and others to link together synths into larger hybrid instruments. This is a possible part of the reason there are so many patch cables running all over the place, besides the fact that the Modular Mg needed to be set up for other songs too, but I digress.
In any case, the sequence is apparently not just playing a patch on the Modular, but a layer on the MicroMg as well. And the MicroMg doesn't sound very much like the Modular, or the Mini either. And if this is true, the sequence is a hybrid sound created by playing both instruments together.
Now, regardless of what synth is making what sound, it's pretty clear to me that any good synthesist can recreate Klause's entire performance just on the Origin, with the possible help of an effects unit at least for the reverb, because the 'verb on the Origin is a bit lacking in quality. In fact, even though the sonic character wouldn't be exactly the same, I think I could get very close to it with my KORG M3, which has the Radias board installed.
Like MoonP, I've been programming synths for decades, and I've been very lucky to be able to work on dozens of synthesizers; analog vintage, digital, romplers, VA - even FM and physical modeling which are the real hair-pullers, and grasp the capabilities of all of them. And I can safely say that the only stinker in the bunch is the Roland Fantom, the X in particular as it's the one I'm familiar with, as its filters are the worst of any synth I've ever used. Great for acoustic instrument shaping, pretty good at certain modern digital synth sounds, but thin and brittle sounding compared to digital filters on other synths, so making vintage synth sounds on it is sometimes an epic struggle. But even on it, I think I can handle a very good imitation of Klause's performance, especially the PolyMg which is essentially a glorified ARP Omni.
I can't tell you how many times on numerous message boards I've seen someone asking for a sound which ends up being something very basic. On occasion, there are certain characteristics which require some careful programming, or a certain instrument, like Rush's "Tom Sawyer filter sweep" which is done on a MiniMg. Now, only a Mg really sounds like a Mg, but on many vintage synths like an Oberheim, you can get close, as well on VAs like a Radias, Virus or Ion. There was a guy on the Sonikmatter boards who enthused about some of Tony Banks' Synclavier and other sounds he used in some performance from Invisible Touch. So he pointed us to a Youtube of it, and it ended up being, as usual, very simple patches almost anything could recreate. One was triangle waves in octaves with perhaps no filtering at all, just some vibrato, and another was a nasal pulse with perhaps some sawtooth, again lightly filtered or not at all. Really simple stuff, easy to recreate, if you know synthesizers.
And honestly - assuming you guys are still with me ;) - the Klause Schultze sounds may have been very fresh, new, engaging, lovely stuff in the late 70s, but these days are easy peasy to reproduce on a wide variety of synths, and as I said, even romplers. In fact, today you can buy any rompler from KORG (Kronos in particular), Kurzweil (K2600, PC3), Roland (Jupiter-50, -80) or Yamaha (Motif), and if you're careful with your programming and performing, you can recreate most every aspect of the performances of just about any electronic music group you care to name. If you're really good, ANY group of ANY nature.
I say this because I'm a careful programmer. I've been dissecting sounds for way many years before these big expose articles in magazines like Sound On Sound or Mix came along to pull back the curtain on certain clever studio techniques, or online tutorials on synth programming. I had to learn stuff on my own, and if I wanted a sound, and wanted to produce a song that sounded right, I had to roll up my sleeves and figure it out. And until a few years ago, I had to force my synths to sound like a wide number of other instruments Now, I will say that there are some crazy patches done on any number of synths which are pretty different, arcane, or just plain weird. Those will keep you up at night if you're trying to figure those out. And with configurable synths like a Yamaha FM, Roland, Kurzweil, OASYS/Kronos or a modular, you're some kind of a synth wizard if you can remotely fathom how some of the exotic patches were created.
In comparison, the sounds Klause Schultze created in that video are kindergarten school simple. hermitnerd and chimpy among countless others here have done a great job of showing how authentic the Origin can sound. But if anyone still has doubts about it, I may just sign up on Soundcloud and do a little example of some "krautspace" music as chimpy and hermitnerd did, but with a variety of synths, and see if anyone can tell which is which.
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Dear people of Arturia,
I had to be pleased with the synths Arturia added sporadicly. The main reason for my purchase were the sounds of the Mg Modular and I'm still awaiting them after 2 years!
As others have stated, the Origin was never promoted as offering to replicate the Mg Modular plugin.
However, what may suit you better is what I did, which is frankly the ONLY way to enjoy the MM properly, which is get a dedicated Core i3 PC with 8GB RAM, an inexpensive Presonus USB midi audio I/O, a 49 key USB keyboard, and an Acer 23-inch touchpanel. Turn the touchpanel vertical, and you can see the full MM in all its glory, and use the touchpanel to drag cables.
Home brew Core i3 with Win7/64, $450
Presonus USB audiobox 48k, $100-$139
Novation Nocturn 49, $150-$250
Acer/Viewsonic touchpanel 22/23-inch; $250-$350
MMV Software = almost free in the new V3 package upgrade!
Power to shake the walls: "priceless!"
I've owed dozens of synths since 1981, and just sold my SOLARIS and Waldorf Q+, but kept the Origin KB. It's awesome, and once the CS-80 template/optimizations are done, which frankly will benefit from the voice module work of the SEM, the Origin will be the one to beat. Yes, it's quirky. But almost ALL synths often have ONE code developer, not a team (news to you, I guess). Sonic Core, Solaris, etc., have ONE guy who is the coder. And it's taken 5 years for the Virus Ti to mature. Finally we have bucket brigade chorus, a hallmark of 80s FX ... but didn't happen until recently. Talk about "something missing" there. All things like this which aren't built out of hardware, take time and finesse, testing, and re-writes of core code to include new features. Unlike a true modular, you can't just rack in a new module which is entirely discrete and separate from the rest. Software doesn't work like that.
I am one Happy Origin owner :-)
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synthguy99: I may be mistaken about this, but I believe that the polyphonic 'chordal' part (including filter sweeping) in Rush's Tom Sawyer was created using an Oberheim OB-X (non-'XA' version) whilst the soloing was done with a MiniMg
The OB-X was also the synth sound behind Van Halen's 'Jump', and Ed did the solo on the OB-X.
I also had the old Gamma (Ronnie Montrose) Oberheim 4-voice modular offered to me after I had already purchsed mine; it was a work-of-art-whoevere had done the work on it had done a beautiful job.
Also saw Lyle Mays' 4-voice when mine went in for service-his was(?) modified with additional gate electronics, if my memory serves me...
Fact: I was with Phil (SCI rep at the time)when he programmed the synth that ACDC used on the 'For Those About To Rock, tour---Presummably: All live 'firing Cannon' sounds were done with that Prophet-5.
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A suggestion for a compromise might be for Philippe to program 'some' (a select few) of the modules from Mg's System 55 into the Origin...
We choose? Heavenly...
If that suggestion gains any traction, and through sheer luck ends up being a 'go', we would should expect many many hours of work on Philippe's part before the modules saw any light of day.
Hard, tedious work.
And, simchris: May I inquire as to why you sold your Solaris?
EDIT: My apologies for spelling your name wrong, Philippe! RJH
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Hi,
fyi, I sold my SOLARIS, and am in process of selling huge amount of gear, Jomox SunSyn, CODE 8 OD, Alesis Andromeda A6, OB Matrix 12, DSI PolyEvolver KB + Rack (8 voice); etc. ... taking the moola from my "collection" to help buy a house while the prices have come down 30% in So. Calif, and interest rates remain low. Kind of a now or never thing there. (Sigh.) Only stuff I'm keeping out of about 50 items is my PC3K8, Origin KB, Hammond, and MiniMg Select with Ribbon Controller. All else going to help do the down payment. (Heavy sigh.)
I did a crappy couple of videos of the SOLARIS on YouTube couple of weeks ago, the day before I boxed it up to ship to the new owner (sigh again). Really amazing sound ... actually sounds better than the Waldorf Q+ on a lot of things using wavetables, and the accuracy of the sound at 96k is pretty amazing, perhaps too clean for some, but you can hear the diff. Really nails Prophet and Oberheim sounds, and Q wavetables (some of them anyway). Although playing with my Nord Lead 3 the other day I "re-discovered" how amazing that thing sounds for classic synth sounds, DX sounds, and a brilliant easy to use interace.
Anyway... there you go. :-)
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Thanks a-lot for sharing, simchris!
Well: you *certainly* are selling some very desirable equipment, but you are also keeping some of the very best equipment available...
If history is any indicator, Your Hammond and MiniMg will *never* be completely obolete; your Kurzweil also sits at the top of the heap-I have a K2000 and some older 1000 modules; still legitimate....
Yeah, Nord are the dudes-I have the Lead 2X which does great analog emu...
So you're keeping your Origin. Hear that, Philippe? THhs guy has owned some of the best keyboard/synth equipment on the planet, and after (wisely) deciding to become a SoCal property owner, he's keeping a few select pieces, including your (Philippe) Origin.
I'm impressed, simchris, you have EXCELLENT taste!
-Roger (and thanks again!)