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Hardware Instruments => MiniBrute => General discussion on MiniBrute => Topic started by: xjscott on July 16, 2012, 08:27:09 pm
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Nearly all MIDI instruments support a MIDI Local Off mode, where the keyboard transmits MIDI and the synthesis engine receives MIDI, but the internal connection from keyboard to the synthesis hardware is disconnected. This mode is used to facilitate work with sequencers and MIDI processors. I have read the manual and examined the remote editor and can not find any mention of support for this mode.
1. Does the MiniBrute have a Local Off setting? If so, how is it activated?
2. Does the MiniBrute support MIDI CC #122, which is the standard setting for remotely activating this setting?
Thanks!
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No it's not supported in the current firmware version.
We planned to wait for more deliveries to end user, so we get more feedback, before doing an update.
Thank you for the inquiry, we will evaluate this feature for the next update.
Bruno
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i'm gonna add a +1 on this feature too :-)
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count me in for local off too!
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Same here. Much needed feature.
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Yeah, i definitely need this as i want to record the aftertouch info.
Has this been implemented in the 1.0.2 update.
The responsivness of the Aftertouch is much better on the Minibrute compared to my master keyboard which is why this is usefull to me.
QUICK WORKAROUND -
You can remove the midi cable from the Minibrute "in" whilst recording.
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+1
Yes please
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Local Off is a much needed feature. So I can transpose the sequences from my Doepfer Dark Time and Mutable Instruments MidiPal from the keyboard, while the sequencers play the MiniBrute and a couple other synths, without triggering notes when pushing keys.
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+1 to this. I have a small bedroom setup, and the minibrute is front and center. It's badly needs this feature. Hell, screw any other updates and just add this. Well...maybe figure out why the LFO still tries to sync to Abletons bpm in free mode (I'm using 1.0.2.)
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another +1 on that
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+1 Come on now Arturia....we needed this yesterday!
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+1 on this, but I think it would have to tie into some button combo functionality. I wouldn't want to have to load the software to set local on or off.
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Raised this same issue months ago
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=12050.0
I have a small setup too and bought the Minibrute to replace my Novation midi keyboard. While I maybe could have been a little more tactful, I got seriously flamed for daring to suggest that Arturia, has at the very least made a synth-101 error buy not including this feature or, at worst, misrepresented the Minibrute's capabilities as a DAW controller.
Jeez, one guy actually suggested I stick the Minibrute's audio out cable up my ass! Lovely, lovely people.
I wouldn't hold your breath guys.
ps, My ass hurts, can I take it out now?
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me too. i need also local off
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I will hold my breath, especially since Bruno was one of the first replies in this thead and seems to be considering the feature in the next update.
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Another vote for this! The MIDIpal could be a great expander for the minibrute if we had local off. Standard feature!
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Another vote here too. I'd like to put MIDI processors in line with the keyboard data. :)
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+1
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FWIW, this is my number one feature request for the next update. Why include controller-only features (like the velocity sensitive keyboard in a non-velocity-sensitive synth) if it can't be used as a proper controller? I'd love to be able to control what I need to without plugging or unplugging to cut internal sounds.
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Why include controller-only features (like the velocity sensitive keyboard in a non-velocity-sensitive synth) if it can't be used as a proper controller?
I'm feelin you, but I think Bruno and the Arturia loyal fanboys here will tell you that the Minibrute has 'Alternative' DAW controller features and that it 100% can be used as a DAW controller (just not at the same time as using it as a synthesizer).
They will also tell you to be patient, stop complaining and remind you that it is being considered in a Firmware update (even though the start date of this thread is July 2012).
The Minibrute is a nice synth and some may call it 'quirky', but if you read through the forum threads you can see the amateurish way this synth has been designed/built. Lots of manufacturing/quality issues, a number of questionable design decisions and a few glaring errors.
I bet the Novation Bass Station 2 has midi local on/off!
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i bet the novation bass station 2 sounds like shit
source? every single demo video thus far
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i bet the novation bass station 2 sounds like shit
source? every single demo video thus far
And thus proving my point above about the 'Arturia fanboys'.
How the Novation Bass Station 2 'sounds' is besides the point. Fact is it will have midi local on/off from day one.
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i'm not an arturia fanboy? i just have ears that can tell what's good and what's bad...
i 100"% agree that the minibrute needs local on/off, but i much rather have that missing than a synth that has this as an official demo:
https://soundcloud.com/cdm/bassstationsamples-5/ (https://soundcloud.com/cdm/bassstationsamples-5/)
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+1 ... just to keep the (gentle) pressure on ;)
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I am wondering how long we will have to wait for Arturia to "consider" this absolutely essential DAW-control feature? It has been quite a while since the last system update, about 8 months.
Is there any more word on this or have we hit a stone wall of customer support here? IMHO, this is upsetting.
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yeah considering how they are usually really on top of things on the forums, why are they willingly ignoring this? if it's just not possible with the hardware or firmware, then fine just tell us. but if it is then why not just let us know yes / no if it's going to be put in?
this is under "details" on minibrute page "MIDI In/Out : Sequence MiniBrute from your computer’s MIDI interface and DAW, or any other MIDI-Out enabled gear you have. Alternatively use MiniBrute as a master keyboard for your DAW or other MIDI-enabled equipment."
really a pain to use it as a master keyboard without the local on/off feature imho, and a bit deceptive...
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Said this earlier in this read already, but the gist of the problem is this...
If you read through the forum threads you can see the amateurish way the Minibrute has been designed and built. Lots of manufacturing/quality issues, a number of questionable design decisions and a few glaring errors.
The missing local on/off mode is a huge error, but the lack of controls on the digital side of the synth make it really tough for them to include local on/off in a way that:
a) is easy for the user to implement
b) won't result in less experienced synth users thinking their Minibrute is broken when in local off mode, which would then result in Arturia getting lots of false repair queries
They really screwed the pooch on this one, that's why I suspect Bruno is keeping very quiet
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If you read through the forum threads you can see the amateurish way the Minibrute has been designed and built. Lots of manufacturing/quality issues, a number of questionable design decisions and a few glaring errors.
I don't think that looking at the forum topics is a fair way of assessing quality.
There are naturally going to be maybe a majority of the threads about issues with the synth, because people will post here when they have a problem. You don't post something every time something works as it should.
Yes, it's not the best built synth ever, but you get what you pay for, and I think this is a powerful synth for its low price.
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The MiniBrute is intended to be a synth, then it's a bonus the more . It is not meant to be a midi keyboard.
We must take things for what they are and ignore the "marketing" and you'll see that life becomes much more enjoyable as well.
Ok I spells
Ps: Bruno has heard for the local off; turn down the level volume :P
French humor 8)
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This would be a very nice addition to the MB. It's ok if it's not going to be implemented but please tell the users so they can look for alternative midi routing setups. Having people Invest in midi routing and then getting it on a firmware one week later would not be kosher...
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can't we just turn the master volume down to achieve the same thing?
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can't we just turn the master volume down to achieve the same thing?
The goal of having midi local off is the ability to have sounds playing from the minibrute, either from the arpeggiator or a midi sequence, while still being able to use the keyboard of the minibrute to control other midi devices or soft synths. Turning down the minibrute would defeat the purpose.
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ah!! that makes sense; thank you for the clarification!
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Has there been any progress on adding local off to the Minibrute?
This would really make my compact road setup complete!
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+1 for local off. seems an essential feature for a midi-equipped kb synth to me.
also, it would be great if you could toggle local on/off (and all the other settings currently only available via the pc/mac software) on the device itself rather than via pc/mac software only.
got mi brute only yesterday, great little synth, but i'm already hoping for a fw update. :)
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Can we get a response from tech support on a timeline for when or if this might be implemented?
I am trying to budget for my portable rig and I am not sure whether to get another controller or keep waiting.
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Go to http://forum.anafrog.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6151&start=2840
and read the post of Yusynth .
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so not until october? ugh lol.
thanks for the info
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@tertior: thanks for pointing that out!
so yusynth mentions it on some french forums, but total silence here? way to treat your customers...
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I could be getting a poor translation, but I think he's responding to his modules site opening in October.
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oh. i think you're right.
so still no date for that fw update...
but at least now we know that there is an update coming.
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It's not the place to post here this info, but Arturia is a cool company.
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Bought a Novation Bass station II, Midi local on/off and Arturia can go and f*%k off.
Never buying another Arturia product.
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Bought a Novation Bass station II, Midi local on/off and Arturia can go and f*%k off.
why so much hatred ???
and don't touch my Karma Jooecheap ;)
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Bought a Novation Bass station II, Midi local on/off and Arturia can go and f*%k off.
Never buying another Arturia product.
Cool story. Have you actually managed to make any sounds that don't sound like crap, unlike every single demo I've heard?
Also, how is it not having a dedicated knob for most of the parameters?
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I've been checking these forums every month for an update on this.
Yesterday I decided to just contact Arturia through their website.
Today I got this response from the sales dept.:-
"Thank you for using Arturia product. There is an update on the way, technical dept hope to be able to get it sorted before Christmas, as they have many many things to do. I cannot assure that the update will be out before Christmas but in the end, there will be something out about local midi out for the Minibrute."
...not the greatest news but at least there is some kind of time frame and assurance that it will be implement.
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Cool I guess. This should have been implemented from the very first. Impossible to use as a live controller for other synths unless you sacrifice the synth inside the brute. Idk why this thread wasn't dead and problem fixed within a month--or at least some temporary firmware fixit to tide people over.
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I cannot assure that the update will be out before Christmas
oh great. :(
thanks for finding out and letting us know, though.
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so before i reply i get
"Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic."
this thread is 1.5 years old....
AND STILL NO LOCAL ON/OFF.
really...what gives? just release a quick firmware update that ONLY ADDS THIS. no one is begging for an entire overhaul of the firmware, just tweaks and this isn't even a "feature" it's an expected standard.
microbrute...beatstep...imini...isem...keylab series...the upcoming spark 2....all done in the meantime, and yet somehow there has been no way to add this feature? even as say a V1.0.2.2 or something...no big deal.
to turn on and off, i suggest this:
1. hold "UP" and "DOWN" octave buttons for 3 seconds
2. octave light blinks to signal you have entered local off mode
3. light continues to blink (say 1 time per 5-10 seconds) so that the user won't forget that they are in local off and that's why their keys are not working
4. hold "UP" and "DOWN" octave buttons for 3 seconds, lights blink in a unique patten (say sequentially from -2 -> +2) to signal local on is engaged
5. no blinking in local on mode.
also, to "idiot proof" it, the synth should always by default start in local on...so that turning it on/off would fix it if someone couldn't figure out why the keys didn't work.
i probably would've bought the microbrute by now, and also be planning on buying the beatstep as well...but i feel abandoned. it's not like users just started asking for this feature...
it's been a year and a half.
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lol...
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thanks for the description, but it's been decided the local on/off will be handled the same as on Microbrute: local ON at startup, then changeable with standard midi CC from USB or midi input.
Believe it if you want but I have coded it yesterday :)
A beta will be available every soon
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I think it would be very important for this to be switchable without having to attach any other devices.
The same goes for changing MIDI channel, it's not really acceptable that I have to plug the Minibrute to my computer for that, I don't even use a computer in the studio!
We should be able to do all this in the Minibrute itself, just take a look at the Alesis Q25 midi controller keyboard, there's loads of midi settings that can be tweaked right from the keyboard.
Thanks.
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It would be great if midi channel/local control, etc could be switched without a computer, but in the absence of that, I think an iOS app for these tasks would be a nice alternative.
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There are lots of iOS apps that already support Midi CC messages. Thanks Bruno!
I still agree it would be nice to control arp mode, velocity curve and all the rest with an app, but you've got control over local on/off pretty easily if it accepts Midi CC.
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Would be great if all the settings in the Minibrute app could also be set using CC messages via standard MIDI (and not just USB).
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Would be great if all the settings in the Minibrute app could also be set using CC messages via standard MIDI (and not just USB).
it's part of the update, same CC mapping as one MicroBrute
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:D :D :D D:D :D
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Is there an ETA for this?
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bump
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don't worry, it was "coded" on february 10 and the beta is coming out VERY SOON!!!
in the meantime why not place an order for a minibrute SE?
/endSarcasm
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Any chance of this firmware update coming out by tomorrow? :) I really want to do a live gig with the MiniBrute, but it's unwieldy to have to bring a separate MIDI keyboard to work around the lack of Local Off.
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thanks for the description, but it's been decided the local on/off will be handled the same as on Microbrute: local ON at startup, then changeable with standard midi CC from USB or midi input.
Believe it if you want but I have coded it yesterday :)
A beta will be available every soon
I sold my Minibrute and got a Novation Bass station II for this reason. I still however check back periodically to see if this issue has been resolved. Still no.
I don't know if it's a 2nd language thing from Bruno, but with the above comment it almost seems like he's taking the piss with everyone now. I mean seriously, if you can't follow up on your promises just don't give them. You are just making people angrier and digging an even bigger whole for yourself and Arturia.
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I sold my Minibrute and got a Novation Bass station II for this reason. I still however check back periodically to see if this issue has been resolved. Still no.
while I'd never sell my brute (just love the sound...) it's really disappointing that there has been not even an update for more than a year. I won't be surprised at this point if by next year we've still got nothing...
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it's not worth it to sell the minibrute now, used ones don't have that great of a resale value. i like it a lot but it's only a "studio" synth...i don't risk taking it out because i feel like something might break on it (mine was one of the units that had to have cables plugged back in when i first got it shipped to me, because they become dislodged during transport). and even still i can't use it as a small controller for a module without local on/off...whatever.
won't buy another arturia product again...a shame
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Woohoo! It's here!