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Harware Legacy versions => Origin => General Discussion on Origin => Topic started by: MindPoP_ on July 29, 2009, 07:24:40 pm
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???When is it gonna be out?
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We are starting the beta test this week. Some more weeks and it'll be available.
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Right on I appreciate the FO.Ps playing a live show at the Riviera Hotle tonight in Vegas.Doing a live electronica/industrial set with an Origin,VirusTI and aSUppernova for my main synths.
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Hi ! How is the beta test going ? Do you have smile ? Do you think your Origin users will be happier than they could think on this update ? Some innovative french touch included ? Some sound examples perhaps... After that you will be allowed to go on vacation...perhaps ;D
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I do not know if this topic was discussed but my machine locks up when trying to use the audio input. Is this a bug or faulty machine?
Thanks.
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Yes this is a known bug that is fixed in the beta currently under test. In the meantime the workaround consist in cleaning up all voices by pressing the PANIC button before doing connections between modules.
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Can we hope for a release on next week or ... ?
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Ok, so, if I'm not mistaken it's pretty much September in both France and Sweden and that, in turn, means that we have run out of August.
Any official word?
Best regards Sparks
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During this morning, I asked for an official statement to be redacted and posted, so this should not take huge time.
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Allright, thanks for the info :)
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Well, it seems that "redacting" a date takes quite some time as well.
I'm surprised that Arturia is not more proactive in keeping the few users of it's fledgling hardware synthesizer happy, either by providing information, providing the update or including everyone in a beta test of the new version.
The version we are running now has so many "known issues" that it is essentially a beta version already.
Maybe the general reception for the Origin has been more positive, but from reading the internet forums, Arturia (and current users) fight an uphill battle convincing others that the Origin has a unique sound and interface which is more than "plug-ins in a box" and justifies the relatively high price.
Happy users are your best advertising, yet we seem to be forgotten (on this forum).
cheers
ripe
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^^What he said... ::)
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I agree with ripe but strongly believe in Origin because, yes, it is a fact, the sound quality is awesome and it is perhaps because we wait a lot from Arturia. (and because we paid the price too :-) ) When I see what you did with miniMg V2...my god dev guys, you rocks ! So please Mr Arturia's president, allocate now all your talents on your physical baby and show the world what froggies can do :P
And communicate ! I know it is sometimes boring and not very constructive to have guys claiming "where is the update? where is the update?" when you are working hard on it, but hey, we have put some money on you, we have faith in you, we wait the best of you, and we wait your kind words saying "shut up, it is coming and you will be blown away" We will be the first to claim on forums "Buy it, buy it" but for the moment I claim "wait, wait" to people asking me about Origin. In fact I don't want to have the bad experience I had with such promising products like Spectralis which are not managed in a reliable way by their creators because of lying and bad excuses on dev delay status. So, we waited two months more, what is the status now, s'il vous plait ?
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Well, it seems that "redacting" a date takes quite some time as well.
I'm surprised that Arturia is not more proactive in keeping the few users of it's fledgling hardware synthesizer happy, either by providing information, providing the update or including everyone in a beta test of the new version.
The version we are running now has so many "known issues" that it is essentially a beta version already.
Maybe the general reception for the Origin has been more positive, but from reading the internet forums, Arturia (and current users) fight an uphill battle convincing others that the Origin has a unique sound and interface which is more than "plug-ins in a box" and justifies the relatively high price.
Happy users are your best advertising, yet we seem to be forgotten (on this forum).
cheers
ripe
I agree with this. I was an Origin owner / user at one point, but I've since jumped ship for now. I've decided I'll give the unit a look again after a few revisions and updates.
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the update status.....well.....how i would i say that.... i think everybody at Arturia is working on the contest!! They all want to win an Origin!!! An Origin guys!!! and you want them to work on the 1.1 update, are you crazy ? ? ? ;D
Seriously (not too much), Philwick (lead developer) told on another forum that they HOPE to release it in the middle of October. If everything is going as they want, only a big month to wait. I think he's afraid of saying this here because if they have to release it later, everyone is going to complain. So i'm saying this for him!! ;D. Better waiting a little more than having a "buggy" update; nope ?
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They shoulda underpromised and over deliverd. I rule at that, and thus I am TOP MAN.
Most people belive I worked them a miracle and did what I said couldnt be done. I make people belive that I went to bat for them and then hit it out of the park. Here they over promised and underdeliverd which is buiz deth in the end. Im not shure how long arturia has been around , but I have owned sparkle plenty for 16 years in the international airport, and I rule the world litteraly. They should have not said anything, yet they said july and blew it. They could have been wrong on the other end, not from the beging.The only thing I want is true midi control. I have never bought a keyboard that didnt do midi out for the controllers. Even my most ancient keys do full midi out,and it makes this board almost useless. Thats what the origin is right now useless, a novelty. Kinda cool, kinda useless. Its like a guitar with one string. A goof!
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Mid october ? It is better to have a date even if it is delayed than no words. But it would have been cool to have the info on this official forum than on another... Have a good update work, dev team and see you mid october ;)
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OK, OK.... ;)
Yes we should have communicate earlier and (much much) better on this 1.1 release.
Yes I should have posted my recent news on AudioFanzine on both forums.
Yes we have some difficulty to keep in line with our plannings.
Well, my intention was indeed to post on both forums but... I simply dived again in the 1.1 work and said to me every morning, afternoon, night "come on Phil, just forget the V1.1 devs for a couple of minutes and go to the forum to announce the so much awaited new" :)
Better late than never. Our current goal is a public release mid october.
And by the way MindPop_, one of the reason we are late is because we're working on the MIDI controls and the automation of Origin so that it's a usable and easy feature to use. For some technical reason I cannot detail here it's not so easy to implement on Origin. That's the last hard point that remains before we can deliver a beta for testing, and then a public release.
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just forget the V1.1 devs for a couple of minutes and go to the forum to announce the so much awaited new" :)
No Way !! ;)
And by the way MindPop_, one of the reason we are late is because we're working on the MIDI controls and the automation of Origin so that it's a usable and easy feature to use. For some technical reason I cannot detail here it's not so easy to implement on Origin.
It's seems that adding full midi features afterwards (i mean once the product is on the market) is harder than integrate them at the first stage. An other example: NI maschine. It's great product, but no midi out support and other midi things..... they are working on full (i hope) midi support, but it takes so much time...... so i think it's not only arturia; it's something that is hard to do, that's all. so MindPop, i understand your frustration, but it's not an easy task and arturia (and other) surely would love to finish this earlier.
Phil, a question: do you think the clicks on the delay effect, when origin is in external midi sync mode, will be corrected with the 1.1 ? thanx a lot
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Phil, a question: do you think the clicks on the delay effect, when origin is in external midi sync mode, will be corrected with the 1.1 ?
Please, tell me how you get this click: which preset? is Origin synced to an external MIDI clock?
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Yes, I was waiting for a fix on the delay clicks as well! It makes the delay effect unusable for me as it is.
You can hear the clicks any time the delay effect is synchronized to incoming MIDI clock, it sounds a bit like when digital wordclocks are out of sync, a slight popping sound. At first it's not really noticeable, but after you hear it it becomes quite annoying and spoils any "smooth" delay effects (like pads).
cheers
ripe
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Well.....I must say I'm not pleased at all with another update delay. I bought my Origin about a month ago and although it sounds amazing and it can be programmed very easy, I cannot understand that midi-out was not implemented from the first time, I even thought something was wrong with my machine - this really is unbelievable! In fact, as said before, this machine is unusuable the way it is now, it's nothing more than a plackbackmachine imo.
Let's hope it will be fixed soon and then I'm sure it will be one of the best synths of the moment.
Cheers to all and let's hope all together.
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You can hear the clicks any time the delay effect is synchronized to incoming MIDI clock, it sounds a bit like when digital wordclocks are out of sync, a slight popping sound. At first it's not really noticeable, but after you hear it it becomes quite annoying and spoils any "smooth" delay effects (like pads).
OK, it's not yet fixed but I add this bug to the list of "has to be fixed for 1.1".
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You can hear the clicks any time the delay effect is synchronized to incoming MIDI clock, it sounds a bit like when digital wordclocks are out of sync, a slight popping sound. At first it's not really noticeable, but after you hear it it becomes quite annoying and spoils any "smooth" delay effects (like pads).
OK, it's not yet fixed but I add this bug to the list of "has to be fixed for 1.1".
okay. i thought Vincent was working on this. this is quite important :)
syndromeda>saying is unusuable as it is is very exagerated! just think about all the musicians who are still using "real" analog synth with no midi. if everything is ok til mid october you 'll have only waiting for less than 3 months in your case...quite short, no ?
you are right with 1.1 it will be THE synth of the moment
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Well........that's something I'm sure about: This will be THE SYNTH of the year, when these 'minor' things all get solved.
I'm not that angry you know, just a bit dissapointed that I cannot get full advantage of this beast yet. It's hard to wait.........
Cheers,
Syndromeda
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OK, it's not yet fixed but I add this bug to the list of "has to be fixed for 1.1".
Oh my god nooo, two months delay added !!!! .... just joking... I hope :-*
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Ok since this thread seems to be coming alive...
...any chance MORE parameters will be able to be controlled by the 8 white encoders???
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okay. i thought Vincent was working on this. this is quite important
Vinz does not work anymore for Arturia >:( He's now somewhere on the road behind mixing consoles in concerts or in studio.
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...any chance MORE parameters will be able to be controlled by the 8 white encoders???
Yes! ;)
Cheers
Frank
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...any chance MORE parameters will be able to be controlled by the 8 white encoders???
Yeap. You'll be able to assign these encoders to a connection amount which is an important new possibility. On the MIDI side, you'll be able to assign most of the CCs to parameters or connection amount. So if you have made an assignment between an encoder and - say - a connection amount, and if you have assigned some CCs to the same connection amount you'll be able to automate this parameter. Origin will send the assigned CCs to the USB link, you can then record it into your favorite DAW and replay it later. That's how the automation will work with V1.1.
To make this feature a reliable one we have to work on the real-time behavior of the machine. We've already fixed jittery timings on incoming MIDI messages. Now the latency is very short (some ms) and the jitter less than 1 ms. We are currently optimizing other parts of the firmware so that automation MIDI messages are sent and received with no noticeable delay.
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...And don't forget to put in the fix to the 2d envelope, which is not working at all right now ;)
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...And don't forget to put in the fix to the 2d envelope
Don't worry ... it's gonna be fixed in 1.1. ;)
Cheers
Frank
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Is there an update on when the update may be expected?
Cheers
Andy
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Is there an update on when the update may be expected?
Last thing I heard was October. Maybe tonight?
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Thanks for the reply.
Of course it maybe end of October :)
Cheers
Andy
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Is there an update on when the update may be expected?
We are currently debuging the modifications we've made to solve the issues related to real-time behavior, MIDI automation and the like. As soon this debug is ended the beta will be dispatched to our beta-testers and a couple of weeks after it will be made publicly available. In parrallel to this work, a musician working for Arturia is currently evaluating the machine (new features and old ones as well). So the update is really getting very near now.
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Hi Phil,
Thanks for the info.
All the best
Andy
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I suspect you, dev guys, to directly go for a 1.5 for christmas with thousands of fabulous presets and amazing new features. That would be the ultimate 10 year anniversary gift :-*
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Hi Phil,
Do you have an update on when we may expect this.
My origin keeps loosing audio out and I have to power cycle it to make it work again, this is beginning to get annoying!
Thanks for any help
Andy
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If I would have known that the update takes this long, I would have started with the bug list. But I thought it would not be worth because next month there is an update. Now it is end of October and still nothing. Just great....
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So....that was October.....and not even any replies anymore from the moderators.
Are you letting us down guys?
Hey, come on, please tell us where it's all about. ???
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I must admit I getting a little bit pissed off, I have to power cycle my Origin many times a day.
I would never use it live in the state its in, just changing patches while it is receiving midi can produce the no sound bug which requires a power cycle.
I applied to be a Beta Tester to Arturia and they didn't even bother to respond.
Its my own fault I suppose, I knew what Arturia was like before I purchased the origin, its a shame really as I love it.
Some info from arturia would help!
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I would never use it live in the state its in, just changing patches while it is receiving midi can produce the no sound bug which requires a power cycle.
With the 1.0.7 version (the one currently shipped) changing a patch shuts all note currently active but it should not result in an audio freeze. Here I do not get that bug when I change presets while playing on a MIDI keyboard. Anyway, I'll do some more tests to double check for that.
Regarding the shutting off of the notes when loading a new patch, this is due to memory limitation within the DSPs, we cannot keep both old and new patch active simultaneously.
I applied to be a Beta Tester to Arturia and they didn't even bother to respond.
Maybe you didn't send a mail directly to me? If you wish to participate in the beta test program you're welcome. We already have added some users to our beta testers list. So just send me your request using this forum mailbox.
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Hi Phil,
Thanks for the info
Cheers
Andy
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Also concerning the sound off bug I get it in the following cases all when sending midi to the Origin, quite a bit of midi is usually being sent from a nemo sequencer.
1. Editing patches. Seems to be when attaching audio ins.
2. Adding patches to multis.
3. Changing presets
These are in order of occurrence with 1 being more likely than 2, etc..
Cheers
Andy
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Also I think the number of midi messages being sent to the origin seems to affect the likely hood of this problem.
I have also seen the Mg template loosing all osc audio apart from the noise oscillator, I have not worked out how to replicate this yet.
Cheers
Andy
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Some news about the 1.1 update.
We plan to send a pre-version to our beta-testers at the end of this week or next week.
This version contains nearly all the features that were planned for the V1.1, but with some remaining and known bugs. So this is more a pre-beta version.
Some of the readers of this forum may be interested in knowing why we are so late. Here are some of the reasons.
When we started the work on the 1.1 we decided to redesign a part of the UI software of the machine so that we could develop many templates (CS80, ARP2600, Jupiter8...) while reusing as much code as possible. We made an estimation of the time needed which was wrong. It took us nearly 3 times more than was anticipated. The work on this particular aspect is finished since about 2 months.
Then we started to work on the MIDI automation and found 2 major problems resulting in very poor real-time behavior of the machine.
1- Incoming MIDI messages were affected by an important latency and jitter, so were outcoming messages.
2- Some computation made along with the automation process on the UI processor were cpu killers.
We spent last 2 months solving these 2 kinds of problem. This is now done (well, 95% is done, remaining 5% are part of the known bugs of the pre-version that will be sent in the coming days).
Before releasing a public version we have to continue internal tests, wait for the bugs reported by external and internal testers, fix everything and run a final exhaustive test. That will likely keeps us busy for some weeks.
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1. Editing patches. Seems to be when attaching audio ins.
Fixed in 1.1
2. Adding patches to multis.
Known bug... but not fixed yet. We know the solution but it would require about 2 more weeks to fix it so we're not sure wether this will be fixed in 1.1 or a little bit later in a 1.1.x.
3. Changing presets
Not a known bug. as I told you I'll do some more test with a sequencer running while presets are changed.
By the way if you have a test case under the form of a MIDI file I'd be glad to use it for my tests.
Thx
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Phil - thanks for the details on the development work. Letting your customers know this kind of info really helps lower the tension!
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Hi Phil,
I will try to replicate the patch change problem and send you a midi file.
Cheers
Andy