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Title: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: FiltroAnalogico on January 22, 2014, 11:38:37 pm
Hi,
I'm desperately trying to sync the MicroBrute sequencer to the external MIDI clock, but while the BPM is clearly received and applied, any sequence is always played offbeat (no matter what resolution is selected).
Obviously I need to play bass and lead parts exactely in sync, and current result is very much annoying...  >:(
Is this an already known bug?
I don't know if this could be related to this other topic/bug: http://www.arturia.com/evolution/smf/index.php?topic=14850.0
Any suggestion?

Thanks!

EDIT: I've tried also to attach a screenshot of the waveform of a recording I did with two different synth hard panned L/R, showing the off-phase of the MB compared to the other (which is perfectly on time with MIDI clock)... But attachments seem to be not permitted here, so I guess I have to upload the pic somewhere and link it...
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Bacon on January 23, 2014, 08:21:53 am
This has happened to me too when syncing the sequenceer to Reaper. The odd thing is that it syncs perfectly as long as Reaper is in play mode, but as soon as I activate recording, the Microbrute sequencer lags behind Reaper by an eighth note or so if I remember correctly.

It doesn't bother me much because I usually sequence my hardware synths in the DAW instead of using built-in sequencers, but for someone depending on syncing the Microbrute to external equipment this could be a serious problem.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: FiltroAnalogico on January 23, 2014, 09:48:02 am
Well, considering that I've bought the MB almost exclusively to have a live gear with arp/seq capability, and that I'm part of a setup where everyone is synched to a Master Clock... yes, this is definitely a serious problem.

Hopefully Bruno will give me/us good news about a forthcoming firmware update...
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: FiltroAnalogico on January 23, 2014, 03:44:35 pm
Hi Arturia guys,

to complete the scenario described in my first post – and comparing the sync problem I've experienced to the behavior shown in this tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK-ivNhbc-4, which seem to work nicely – I was trying to have MB internal sequencer in sync with external MIDI clock while in “Play – hold” mode from Connection software.
Thus the seq start wasn’t triggered from the keyboard, but using the “Play – mode” switch set on “Play”, resulting in no chance to match the clock phase. I can assume that this switch has a sort of delay...

I hope this helps.
Cheers
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: ben arturia on January 24, 2014, 11:53:29 am
Try to put the clock on Auto, not on Ext.
Is it better for you with clock on Auto ?
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: FiltroAnalogico on January 24, 2014, 02:53:32 pm
Hi Ben,
actually my case refers to clock on 'Auto'...  :(
Now... should I try the other way around, with 'Ext.' ?
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: primvla on January 25, 2014, 10:21:37 pm
My MB seq behaves like that, too. It lags behind external midi clock for a quarter (or eighth, i don't remember). My workaround is using a midi modded monotribe as proxy and hooking its sync-out to MB gate-in. Works perfectly, but I'd really rather have a pure midi solution. Although I must say I didn't try all the options (clock: ext, different triggering,...).
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: primvla on February 03, 2014, 06:37:47 pm
Well, I see now, midi clock means just that, a tempo. There are no other messages sent, no sync trigger, advance step or gate like with step sequencer. My bad. Midi clock values come through to MB right, but the time the sequence starts (offset) obviously depends on the moment when you turn on the device.

Is there an option to retrigger the sequencer that is in midi clock mode like it is triggered in internal clock mode? My seq trigger is set to Legato but although it behaves as expected under internal clock, it doesn't retrigger right (the offset) when MB receives clock from midi. My request is to retrigger midi synced sequencer with a keyboard (maybe also with midi "note on" message). If it's possible. Please. It would help a ton for my setup.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: andrewtoronto on February 03, 2014, 09:07:54 pm
I am having this exact same problem.

Midi out of Mac/Logic to microbrute ...

logic will control MB just fine until I turn on the sequencer. The tempo seems correct, and the rate knob seems to provide correct tempo divisions, but the overall sync is off. The sequencer pattern starts a half beat or so late. Starting a bar or two earlier sometimes helps a bit but not really.

This only happens when Logic's sequencer is running (ie. when microbrute is receiving midi-clock.) which leads me to think it's a problem with the microbrute's sequencer somehow not synchronizing incoming midi-clock and incoming midi notes.

This is absolutely a microbrute issue...all my other synth's sequencers and arpeggiators sync just fine, does the minibrute have this same issue?

I've tried every combination of settings. it just doesn't work. And it should.

ARTURIA YOU MUST FIX THIS! This is clearly a problem. the whole point of having a synth/sequencer with midi-in and external sync (or auto) is to sync it to a master clock.

Why has there been no official comment on this in a week??
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: wacopacco on February 07, 2014, 04:46:55 am
To Arturias defense, the micro is still a very young product. No doubt there are a ton of bugs to work out in it still.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: FiltroAnalogico on February 07, 2014, 11:03:36 am
To Arturias defense, the micro is still a very young product. No doubt there are a ton of bugs to work out in it still.

Wacopacco, “defence” implies an ‘attack’, but I don’t think we’re here to ‘attack’ Arturia.
I believe we’re all posting to share, discuss and point out bugs (some of which, of course, are much more annoying than others), to get them solved as soon as possible.

Personally, I really appreciate the level of availability/presence and interaction of Arturia staff in this forum (and I could somehow prefer a scenario where we have more bugs but also the Company committed to solve them, to a scenario with less bugs and the Company not caring…).

That said, generally speaking, I’m not inclined to accept “tons of bugs” just because a product – of whatever nature – is “young”.
IMHO, of course. :)
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: andrewtoronto on February 08, 2014, 01:09:55 am
still waiting for the presence and interaction...
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: wacopacco on February 08, 2014, 11:33:36 pm
To Arturias defense, the micro is still a very young product. No doubt there are a ton of bugs to work out in it still.

Wacopacco, “defence” implies an ‘attack’, but I don’t think we’re here to ‘attack’ Arturia.
I believe we’re all posting to share, discuss and point out bugs (some of which, of course, are much more annoying than others), to get them solved as soon as possible.

Personally, I really appreciate the level of availability/presence and interaction of Arturia staff in this forum (and I could somehow prefer a scenario where we have more bugs but also the Company committed to solve them, to a scenario with less bugs and the Company not caring…).

That said, generally speaking, I’m not inclined to accept “tons of bugs” just because a product – of whatever nature – is “young”.
IMHO, of course. :)
you read wayyyyyyyy too much into what I said but we agree.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: primvla on February 11, 2014, 09:53:05 am
bump (i think it's important)

... or at least make a firmware update that retriggers midi clocked sequencer with TAP key (has no obvious function under external clock). ATM I can't find no other option to midi sync MB seq other than try to catch it with turning on the power button at the exact right moment.

Or make the firmware format and all software accessible functionalities public and documented, some people may have time, motivation and knowledge to make custom firmwares for this great little machine (which would only benefit its market presence btw).

cheers!
p.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: highvoltage on February 24, 2014, 07:34:52 pm
I can confirm the sync issue, and i like to add another bug, which is kinda related.
I never use the sync to host function because of this. It would be OK for me, cause i can easily tap the tempo manually, BUT
it's buggy even that way.

A would be happy if someone could replicate and confirm this, cause its driving me mad.

Make the simplest sequence in MB, and just a repeated 16th note in your  DAW, like on my picture. Set the MB to 'PLAY'  Now, if you set the sequencer to the slowest speed, you can very easily hear how it totally messes up the timing. Naturally the MicroBrute is set to retrig the SEQ on each note, so it should start each note totally in time.

But you can see how it lags lika crazy in this picture:
http://prntscr.com/2vh3yf

On the left side, SEQ is off, on the right side it's set to PLAY.
This gets a little better if you match the tempo, but its still there, and it still misses and hits:
http://prntscr.com/2vhqp8

In this way the sequencer is totally useless for recording, and not in just SYNCED to host mode, but in any mode.   :'(
Is this just me, or you can repeat it?

Thanks,
Matt




Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: andrewtoronto on March 04, 2014, 06:52:49 pm
bump...where is ARTURIA????
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: primvla on March 06, 2014, 11:36:29 am
Naturally the MicroBrute is set to retrig the SEQ on each note, so it should start each note totally in time.

Well, my MB does not retrigger its sequencer on each note. I mean, it does retrigger a sequence but not the sequencer tick phase. It (the phase) remains the same from the moment I turn on the power on MB no matter if I press keyboard, play/stop seq, tap TAP button,... It may be off, say for a quarter, and when MB receives new MIDI clock, it's still quarter off, so MB registers external clock allright. But there is no mechanism to retrigger sequencer exactly on phase other than turn-off and on the machine and hope you hit it the right time (or start everything else in your MIDI setup according to MB).

I can't reproduce your situation, I admit, I didn't even try. If I understand it correctly: you are sending midi note-on messages from your DAW to MB, which is playing its sequence? What is the tempo of your DAW sequence? The same as MB's sequencer? And MB clock is midi synced to DAW? Or are you running them idependently and you are comparing / measuring MB SEQ's accuracy in relation to DAW's?

And yes, where is Arturia? At least some sort of problem confirmation (is this a bug on some of the devices or an awkward feature of the machine) would calm my turmoil :)

Again, future firmware request: Make it so that when the sequencer is retriggered under external midi clock, the seq's phase is retriggered, too (that's a normal behavior of my other synth's seqs and arps).
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: softbase on March 11, 2014, 01:37:21 pm
I just recently bought my microbrute (which is wonderful BTW!) and can confirm that I am having this problem also.  This is a real problem for me as I was looking to trigger sequences live, but this problem rather puts a hold on that plan :-(

It's simple to reproduce.  Get a simple drum track in Live going, sync the MB to Live, press record to kick things off and record the MB direct back to Live, You'll see it's out by what looks like 16th compared to the drum track. Very frustrating!

So another one for "Arturia please respond" I'm afraid.

== Update ==
Hmm, ok, I'm starting to wonder how much of this is Live's fault (it is notorious for bad midi sync) so will try syncing to external drum machine tonight and see how that compares)
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: mmillerm on March 13, 2014, 02:31:29 am
I am having the same problem and frustration.

M.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: softbase on March 13, 2014, 11:34:04 pm
Ok. I got the microbrute and Live to run off the same clock coming from my korg es1. I slowed the BPM down to 20 and you can hear and see that the two are very definitely out of step. One thing I noticed was that the MB does not start/stop with the drum machine so it is literally only taking clock nothing else by the look of it. So it's in time but not synced to the external song/pattern.

I have video of this if that would help.

Please can we have some sort of recognition that this is a problem?
I really, really don't want to take the MB back, but as it stands it's of little use to me :(
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: mmillerm on March 28, 2014, 06:17:28 pm
bump
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: ben arturia on April 03, 2014, 02:22:06 pm
The off beat sync is now referenced as bug for us.

Highvoltage
The problem you have is linked with the latency of your sound card i guess ?
Try increase or decrease buffer length.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: softbase on April 04, 2014, 12:25:06 pm
The off beat sync is now referenced as bug for us.

Fantastic!  Thank you Ben!
You guys are great :-)
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: andrewtoronto on April 08, 2014, 04:45:44 pm
The off beat sync is now referenced as bug for us.

Highvoltage
The problem you have is linked with the latency of your sound card i guess ?
Try increase or decrease buffer length.

referenced as a bug? what does that even mean? WILL THIS GET FIXED??

this is not a latency issue nor is it simply a "bug".

This is a SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH YOUR PRODUCT!  The sequencer is useless until this gets fixed.

What's the point of having midi-in and a sequencer if you can't sync the sequencer to external gear???
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: wacopacco on April 08, 2014, 08:27:13 pm
I will go on record as saying I've had issues syncing the sequencer to Ableton, pro tools, reaper, a variety of sound cards, etc... Midi syncing analog gear will always have some quirks about it, nothing that can't be fixed in recording, but for live use it's very frustrating.

I have the same issues with my Mg as well...
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: primvla on April 08, 2014, 10:28:37 pm
A simple retrigger would suffice.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: softbase on April 25, 2014, 04:14:52 pm
Hi Ben,
Any news on this?
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: mmillerm on May 21, 2014, 03:39:11 am
bump
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: jooga1972 on May 21, 2014, 01:07:12 pm
Oh yes, a fix for this issue would be highly welcome..... and sooner, not later.... I've been struggling with losing clock sync incoming from Reason via a Focusrite Saffire Pro interface. Never happens in the middle of a given song, just out of the blue, all of a sudden, inbetween songs,,.... I'd love to use the MicroBrute to play bass sequences live (debut gig due next week) but with the MIDI-clock problem I have no option other option than record the bass tracks in advance in Reason's sequencer as a backup. I hope this gets sorted out soon because I need the MB's fat and dirty sound and I want to play it live and in sync with my DAW.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: fierywater on June 18, 2014, 03:58:12 am
I've been experiencing the same issue with mine using Reaper. Any update? A fix for this would make using my Microbrute a lot nicer.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Boneybone on August 11, 2014, 03:39:29 am
I just got myself a MicroBrute and tried to squeeze it in between KP3+, 2xMonotribe, Volca Beats and Juno-Di..

It did not work, sequencer always messing up the BPM.

I've tried via MIDI and CV, I've changed the order of the synchronized units yet nothing works..

I also believe that none of the people posted in this thread found a solution or even a workaround of some sort and there is still no update on this issue.

I honestly do not think that this is "that" much of a problem for Arturia to handle so what the hell is up with that?!

Geez.. Give me something..
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: mmillerm on September 16, 2014, 10:25:35 pm
+1
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Matthew-Landon on September 19, 2014, 03:30:25 pm
Hello All
Forgive me if everybody else has fixed their MicroBrute sequencer issues, I still have not and could use some help.
I've got the new software and switched the configuration to Step on = Clk & Sync = Auto, what an I doing wrong??
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2j1olz8.jpg)
Was on such a high in anticipation on my MicroBrute, the comedown is harsh, maybe something this small can't be this powerful, I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Boneybone on September 19, 2014, 04:05:21 pm
Just for the record, I haven't fixed or find a solution to this problem.

I just don't use the sequencer.. Glad that I went with Micro instead of Mini just because I didn't need another synth with arpeggio and wanted a seqeuncer. Pfft..

Now to me, Micro is just a tiny yet powerful synth without the sequencer.

To be honest, I would have gone with a MiniBrute or Ms-20 Mini if I had known this problem.

What annoys me so much is neither the problem nor the product but the lack of interest on the topic from Arturia team.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Matthew-Landon on September 19, 2014, 08:11:00 pm
I want to try and load a sequence to see if that makes any difference. What kind of files are they? How do I make one? Could somebody send me one?
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: avantronica on September 25, 2014, 03:20:47 pm
Having found a few wee gremlins myself, I thought I'd check this out, latest firmware, and the sequencer syncs well, I slaved it to an Elektron box. Perfect, if you are sloppy with your timing the sequence could be triggered late, but as far I can see the sequencer is fine. Is this not just predictable computer related and user gremlins !?
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Boneybone on September 25, 2014, 08:14:36 pm
Having found a few wee gremlins myself, I thought I'd check this out, latest firmware, and the sequencer syncs well, I slaved it to an Elektron box. Perfect, if you are sloppy with your timing the sequence could be triggered late, but as far I can see the sequencer is fine. Is this not just predictable computer related and user gremlins !?

Why would it matter if the operator is sloppy with the timing?

If I sync a couple of Monotribe, KP3, pair of Volca, Juno-Di and a MicroKorg all together with almost any drum machine added to the end, there's no way that someone can go "off-beat" with any of the units unless they deliberately trying to do so.

It's not "oh crap I messed the timing", it's more like correct clock overlaps and makes is go off the beat while you're still being almost dead on with the input.

There's no half-synchronized or partially synchronized synchronization out there. If it's in sync, it is in sync, hence the term in-sync.

What's the purpose of having a step sequencer that can be synced to a master clock but also needs a manual dexterity to operate it so it can be in sync? That sentence even doesn't make any sense and that is the situation here..

Oh, and I don't understand what did you mean by "Is this not just predictable computer related and user gremlins !?" brother. :)
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: jochiasson on September 29, 2014, 01:28:42 am
I got the same problem on the microbrute slaved to a MPC. it can't be that long for Arturia to solve this problem. Even Roland brings more updates for their new Aira series. And for every instruments. A little bit disappointed here.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: avantronica on October 20, 2014, 02:18:30 pm
Having found a few wee gremlins myself, I thought I'd check this out, latest firmware, and the sequencer syncs well, I slaved it to an Elektron box. Perfect, if you are sloppy with your timing the sequence could be triggered late, but as far I can see the sequencer is fine. Is this not just predictable computer related and user gremlins !?

Why would it matter if the operator is sloppy with the timing?

If I sync a couple of Monotribe, KP3, pair of Volca, Juno-Di and a MicroKorg all together with almost any drum machine added to the end, there's no way that someone can go "off-beat" with any of the units unless they deliberately trying to do so.

It's not "oh crap I messed the timing", it's more like correct clock overlaps and makes is go off the beat while you're still being almost dead on with the input.

There's no half-synchronized or partially synchronized synchronization out there. If it's in sync, it is in sync, hence the term in-sync.

What's the purpose of having a step sequencer that can be synced to a master clock but also needs a manual dexterity to operate it so it can be in sync? That sentence even doesn't make any sense and that is the situation here..

Oh, and I don't understand what did you mean by "Is this not just predictable computer related and user gremlins !?" brother. :)


What, exactly, do you guys think is wrong, I'm not even sure what bruno has supposedly acknowledged as a bug ? ! ?
From my tests, the mb holds sync rate perfectly, you just have to hit the key at the right time, if you are late, the sequencer will be late. Easy !
If your sequencer sends the correct stop and start messages (IN THE CORRECT MANNER), then the micro will play ball, perfectly.

So, testing with Elektron and Roland boxes, the microbrute starts properly after it has received a MIDI stop message when you then send a properly scheduled Start message (when you hit play)
After that point, if you manually restart the sequencer using the keys, it'll be okay if your timing is good or early/late if you are

Are you asking arturia to implement coarser quantisation on the seq retrigger key input so it accounts for a running count of the 24ppqn clock since the start ?!? Otherwise there's nothing in the spec that i can see it is not obeying properly.
My gripe is that the phase of the sequence is not corrected when the synced rate is adjusted, i.e. even if you start perfectly in sync (on the 1s) and you then double or half the temp, the 1s will go adrift, this should be accounted for either with extra notes/blanks to ensure that the adjusted rate 1 also happens on the 1 prior to changing the synced rate.

Can someone point to a video showing their problem because i just don't get it with the rock-solid gear i'm using, even though i'm also able to *manually* trigger late/early etc
Sounds like an expectation issue although the seq retriggering could probably be more forgiving

It's odd that there's a lot of hot and bothered voices on this thread but hardly any on the clearly wrong LFO phase issues, or even the fact that the sequencer plays seq 1 irrespective of the knob position at boot up, or indeed the horrible glitching of mod wheel lfo amount whilst synced, these are clearly 'bugs' !
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: steun on November 01, 2014, 03:28:31 pm
The Microbrute does not respond to start/stop messages from my Roland MC505.
The Microbrute DOES respond correctly to the start of my TR-8 and TB-3!
The weird thing is that the TB-3 also responds to the start of the MC505.

Right now I use the MC505 as master clock because I had to return my TR-8 for repairs.

The Microbrute is set to 'hold' in the connection software, so it's continuously playing the patterns. When I push play on the MC505 the pattern does not reset to step 1, so the microbrute and MC505 are out of sync.

I can very easily sync it up by timing when I put the sequencer switch to 'ON'.

I have no issues getting things synced up.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: nashspacerocket on November 18, 2014, 06:03:18 pm
i wish it responded to start/stop from my gear.
my roland r8 is my master clock, but if a midi cable is connected to the MB then  the sequence starts as soon as the MB is switched to play whther the r8 is playing or not (or note on). my korg volca bass responds to start/stop from the r8 and is rock solid, why can't the MB?
very awkward trying to set the start point manually.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: primvla on December 04, 2014, 01:20:09 pm
"After that point, if you manually restart the sequencer using the keys, it'll be okay if your timing is good or early/late if you are"

Well, my MB doesn't retrigger the sequencer's phase using the keys (nor does the play stop toggle switch). It stays on the same "phase" as it was on the time the MB was switched on (the red LED is blinking in the same time cycle no matter what key/knob I press/switch on MB). So the only control over the midi clock phase I've got is the ON/OFF switch on the back (but that's too lame to use in live situations). I have no issues with the BPM (tempo), it doesn't drift away and it updates nicely to the master clock.

This makes the MIDI sync almost useless to me. So i use the foolproof gate sync instead (which is limiting the envelope to sustain/release if your source is a tick from eg. monotribe even on gate=LONG setting which I suspect it stands for gate out...). This is the only midi gear in my setup behaving this way...

cheers!
p.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: janglesoul on January 25, 2015, 10:54:46 pm
The off beat sync is now referenced as bug for us.

Highvoltage
The problem you have is linked with the latency of your sound card i guess ?
Try increase or decrease buffer length.

Hi,
This was in April 1014. Has there been any Firmware update or instruction on how to solve the problem? I've just started out with the MicroBrute and seem to have the same problem. When receiving external Midi-clock the step sequencer on the Microbrute starts playing on the offbeat, and no matter how well I try to time it I can't get it to play in time with my prerecorded tracks.

Any direction to where I can find more info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!


EDIT: Well, I don't know, MIDI-syncing seems to be tricky business - but for now it works. I'll have to experiment more to see if I understand why it all came offbeat the other day.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: mmillerm on March 28, 2015, 11:18:43 pm
bump
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: FatBob on May 11, 2015, 12:53:08 am
Any progress on this?

Anyone...?
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Emperor12 on May 27, 2015, 01:18:24 am
To Arturias defense, the micro is still a very young product. No doubt there are a ton of bugs to work out in it still.

Interesting way of seeing things. I always thought that products were supposed to be tested BEFORE selling to people. I don't recallI singing up to be a guine pig. =)


Same problem here. STILL a useless synth in my studio. Ripped off.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: spaceinvaderstekno on June 23, 2015, 02:06:28 am
Hello guys,
we experienced this "issue" on live performance!! XD
Easy to manually "address this issue" switching "on sync" when in home/studio but hard on live performances.
I cut out MB after 15 mins of madness (i was alone, live, 5 machines midi/cv synced + mixer).
I guess the best and fastest way to address this one (and other ones) is to release MB source code on Github or similars.
Have a nice day folks!!
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: chimera on July 12, 2015, 04:12:14 am
To Arturias defense, the micro is still a very young product. No doubt there are a ton of bugs to work out in it still.

Well more than one and a half years passed since you wrote this and Arturia still hadn't addressed the issue, I have all the latest firmware updates.
This is very disappointing, I think this is a very important and nobody seems to care. Customer support 0 points.
Arturia what are you waiting for?!
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: mmillerm on July 15, 2015, 07:42:52 pm
I totally agree. Very disappointing and ridiculous that the issue has not been addressed or fixed yet. What the heck is going on?
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: chisel316 on July 21, 2015, 11:47:08 pm
I opened a support ticket with Arturia and got this response:

> This behaviour seems to be inconsistent. I personally can almost never have it to start in sync when using it on USB !
>
> As a workaround, I add a -1 ms delay on the Midi track in Live and it allows the sequencer to start on time. But I do not know any other way on other software / devices.
>
> That said, this bug is listed as confirmed in our database (I just checked) and it will be fixed in the future along with a few other bugs. I cannot give any fixed date though...

So basically the tech support person can't even get his own MicroBrute to sync!!  I replied with a link to this thread so they're aware that there are many of us having this issue.

Peace \/
chisel316
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Mister36 on August 07, 2015, 01:26:45 pm
New Microbrute owner/user. Same problem experienced here. It's one of very few issues with the Microbrute I've come across so far (which is good), but this is still a pretty significant problem. Hope a fix will be soon (I realise it's already been years though)...
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: nashspacerocket on August 28, 2015, 12:52:02 am
i'm wondering if there's another reason for not addressing this problem.
it's pish simple to  change the firmware code to support start/stop.
So i'm wondering if there's some hardware limitation that  they're not telling us about.
memory limitation or something??

Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: chisel316 on August 29, 2015, 02:34:14 am
My support ticket is still open.  I asked them for an update and they told me they don't have any news or ETA on when it will be fixed.

Peace \/
chisel316
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: foxtrotwhiskey9 on November 08, 2015, 08:40:53 pm
First time Arturia customer here and I've got this problem as well. Seeing that this is an acknowledged bug and nothing has been done or said about it for 2 years, my confidence in Arturia's commitment to quality and support is seriously diminished. I plan on avoiding Arturia products in the future. At least admit there is nothing that can be done due to some hardware fault or get a dev or two to write a small firmware update. Own up to your mistakes or fix them.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: aglioaolio on November 15, 2015, 02:38:37 pm
I'm afraid that only solution for today is to use CV gate in.
If you don't have any gear with CV gate output you can use a sound sample of trigger (i've recorded mine from roland tr-727). If you put this sample into a sequencer/DAW and asiggn it to another output than stereo you will be able to trigger your mircobrute sequencer.
E.g. I use MPC2500 for this. The sample is triggered through assignable output, so it can't be heared in stereo output of an MPC.

I've attached this CV trigger sample to this post so you can download it.
BE CAREFUL because playback of the sample can damage your speakers!

Still waiting for MIDI though:/
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Chilldanny on January 15, 2016, 06:49:29 pm
I have created a petition (for what it's worth) about this ridiculous issue.
Please support and sign, and perhaps maybe we can get Arturia to fix it.  Thank you.

https://www.change.org/p/bruno-arturia-arturia-arturia-please-fix-the-microbrute-sequencer-midi-sync-issue?recruiter=467554114&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink (https://www.change.org/p/bruno-arturia-arturia-arturia-please-fix-the-microbrute-sequencer-midi-sync-issue?recruiter=467554114&utm_source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink)
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Congas on January 16, 2016, 10:24:53 am
I bought mine last week and last night realised this issue -thanks for setting up the petition -it was driving me mad last night as the sequencer was one of the reasons I went for the  Microbrute

With no news on the fix, I am thinking about returning it
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: primvla on January 17, 2016, 08:49:00 am
Duh, my sequencer stopped working completely... no matter what i do, reinstall firmware, choose whatever clock trigger (ext/int/auto ... clk/gate) in control software,... tempo is flashing and responding to rate knob but no sound comes out on play (yes, sequences are recorded), the green led left of pattern select remains unlit (on zero attack and full sustain). This decaying behavior is starting to worry me.

EDIT: Ok, maybe I was a bit trigger happy there... Oct Dn + Oct Up + Power On (factory reset) solved this particular issue. However, midi sync phase is still random (set by powering up MB).
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Synthy_Dan on March 02, 2016, 06:05:39 pm
To think more then 2 years later, and still no more light shed on the matter?! Its safe to say that Arturia DO NOT have a fix for this problem.

I bought a Micro this week, and after fiddling with it was rather impressed.

Until i decided to link it up with my DAW That is.

Same problem as everyone else.........Sequencer and LFO not syncing properly to Logic 9's Midi Clock. Tried every combination with no luck.

Trying to record the micro's audio whilst affecting it on the fly is near on impossible. One of the reasons i picked this.

Was originally going to buy the Arturia Hybrid Synth but read some rather dodgy posts on it being a bugger to work on a lot of systems. Typical i pick an Arturia product still, and have issues! FGS!!!

Its a shame to see they have blatently ignored all these people's pleas for an answer!  ??? I quite honestly cant believe the cheek of it. Once these companies have your pennies they couldnt give a toss about the products stability. Absolute bandits! Iv met pirates with more respect.

I guess they have the view that people will still buy there future products.

Luckily, I still have the choice of a refund (which a lot of your poor folks dont) so will be taking this back, and changing it for a minitaur or something similar.

And i will be signing the petition.

Arturia.....you suck
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: softbase on March 06, 2016, 08:02:23 pm
Well, I've signed the petition and Arturia won't be getting a single penny more from me until this is fixed.  Shame 'cos I like some of the new stuff they're doing, but if they're not willing support it, what's the point.

Very, very disappointed.  :(
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: BaloErets on June 13, 2016, 02:49:10 pm
Got a Micro last night.  Love the sound, but discovered this when getting into some advanced syncing w/ my DAW.

This is disappointing.  I grabbed the Microbrute because I was planning to get a MatrixBrute but wanted to get a good feel of the overall "brute" sound.  I'm now very hesitant to dump 3k CAD into this series when such an important and obvious bug is going unaddressed.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: softbase on August 20, 2016, 03:33:47 pm
Ben, back in April 2014 you acknowledged this as a bug and still we are not seeing any real movement on this.

Please checkout some of the posts, this problem is actually hurting your sales.  People are not buying into your ecosystem because they can't trust you.  Surely a bit of time and effort on this is worth it to help pick up sales of your larger instruments and help restore faith in you?

I'm not going to get a Matrixbrute, but I really want to get a beatstep pro, make this happen and you might just get a sale!

Actually, on second thoughts, no.  Don't fix it.  Leave the microbrute broken, don't be a company I want to buy more stuff from.  My eurorack system is growing nicely and Behringer have something rather special coming up.  I think that's a better way to spend my money :-)

Thanks!  I promise I won't bother you again.
Goodbye.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: orcoaffamato on August 23, 2016, 07:00:23 am
Hello,

I was going to buy the new Microbrute red, but luckily I checked this forum and so I changed my mind!
It's unbelievable that they didn't fix this issue after 2 years!
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: AustinBru on September 29, 2016, 05:36:39 pm
Hello,

Another frustrated MicroBrute owner here. Unbelievable that this issue has not yet been resolved.

Arturia, if you are not going to work on the issue, JUST PUBLICALLY RELEASE THE CODE- there are more than a few dedicated users who are likely better at these kinds of things than your support team has proven to be.

Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Sek7or on October 30, 2016, 01:33:14 pm
Hallo guys, the same issue lead me here))

After couple of hours of investigation, it looks like I found how this "offbeat" can be solved (at least for Ableton users.)
So,
the point of issue is hidden under the LATENCY. Try to set the minimum possible latency in your daw and  remember the latency ammount you have.
For example - I have 6,73ms.
What you have to do next - is put the same value in to your @External Instrument's@ Hardware Latency

check the image:
(http://i1.imageban.ru/out/2016/10/30/3703390c820ec1a49cc93c0220b029b8.jpg) (http://imageban.ru)

IT WORKED WELL FOR mE. After that I've been able to record all sequences to MB with perfect in-Beat timing. Cheers!
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Halkybod on November 27, 2016, 08:22:47 am
Any progress on this issue? Still don't know how to sync my tr8 and Microbrute. I am not using a DAW. Just going through a mixing desk. Midi cables are not doing what they are supposed to.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Halkybod on November 27, 2016, 10:10:48 am
I am also a newb but I have found that if you turn the sequencer knob all the way round to the left, it will sync with the midi clock on the tr8. You can check this by increasing the BPM on the tr8. Works for me. Basically turn it all the way round and leave it alone.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: geewhy58 on December 03, 2016, 09:36:37 pm
Not much out of Arturia on this lately? I have a brand new Microbrute and get the same issue trying to drive sequences using midi and and external clock from Cubase. Sometimes they start on time but after playing once they then trigger one interval late. I have tried changing clock settings in Cubase to 'Always send start' and 'Send clock on stop' but no joy. If I just trigger notes rather than the sequencer, timing is correct.
Any solutions chaps. The sequencer is the main reason I chose the Microbrute.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: PotentialCustomer on January 03, 2017, 02:43:24 am
So glad I found this before buying because I was planning on triggering sequences with it live. Will not buy. Hear that Arturia? Will not buy.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: Nemi on April 24, 2017, 02:08:05 am
End of April, 2017.
Having my Micro for 3 years, loving it, and being pissed off
for those 3 years for not a single voice from Arturia about the sequencer issue.
Please guys (if you read this at all) do yourselves and us users a favour,
and keep your reputation by respecting us and solving this minor,but anoying problem.

Sincerly,

Nemanja Rancic
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: allie on March 04, 2018, 05:58:49 am
I made a video to show the issue. First I'm playing the 3-note sequence using the internal clock, then I send midi clock. Clearly it is retriggering when I send midi clock despite the software settings showing Sequencer Retrig = None (see end of video for settings).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ocpp0c9hwM

This makes the synth unusable. Or am I going mad and imagining this is a problem? Has anyone experienced this.
I want to throw my microbrute in the bin. This is such a waste of time.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: allie on March 04, 2018, 02:35:57 pm
To follow up this is a firmware problem:

Firmware 1.0.4.0:
Sequencer Retrig = None (BROKEN)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ocpp0c9hwM

Firmware 1.0.3.2 (older)
Sequencer Retrig = None now (FIXED)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBdxhA2iWzM

In both videos I show before and after sending a midi clock. I am playing keyboard notes to see whether the sequence is interrupted. Unfortunately when midi clock is sent with the latest firmware, sequences get interrupted, causing it to be glitchy and horrible. I am only playing a 3 note sequence here but imagine if it were a longer sequence.... Makes the unit unusable.

I noticed this problem immediately when the current firmware was updated. Had I bought it this way I would have returned it to the shop within hours. So they will certainly lose customers because of this (pretty fundamental) problem.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: jvfire on March 18, 2018, 02:20:41 pm
Same problem here. Delayed by one interval. It's something that needs to be fixed Arturia.
Title: Re: Sequencer sync problem (BUG?)
Post by: esteban on May 25, 2018, 08:48:39 pm
Hello... i`ve been usin my MB for about two months... Icoud sync my MB with my Korg Kaossilator throw MIDI conection. It worked perfect. A week ago i connected MB to my computer and i updatedmy firmware revision to the latest (1.0.4.114).... now my MB doesnt syncs anymore with my Kaoss.  Ive tried everything... someone whith a similar problem?... thank you