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Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: Didz@dron on March 03, 2006, 11:09:33 pm
Sorry but I don't get it. When I read messages like some posted on the KvR forum, there's something I can't understand. Most people there claim their using a steinberg vst host but keep shitting over Arturia's policy regarding the use of a dongle for demoing the brand new Prophet V. What's the problem ?  :roll:
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, I'll be ordering it very soon. The hybrid mode sounds really great !  :twisted:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: pmwaring on March 04, 2006, 12:43:50 am
I agree what's the big deal. I have a Cubase dongle (two actually) I downloaded the Prophet V demo added the license to my dongle and off I went, simple.

I'll be getting the Prophet V and I'll copy the license from the supplied dongle to my Cubase dongle, I'll do the same with AmpliTube 2 (if they ever release it).

P.
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: omissis on March 04, 2006, 12:10:37 pm
Guys, don't mind about the dongle, commercial synths always had copy protection, on hardware synths their copy protection was....er....their hardware building :wink: , in the past all the commercial synths had their own copy protection system and Syncrosoft is convenient in a way because it's widely used by commercial labels and, if you have the key yet you have no problem wheter to get a key or not...Those morons don't remember that Seersystems' "Reality" ( the very first softsynth ) had an hardware copy protection ( a dongle on...the parallel port  :twisted:  :twisted: ) ...when the key was removed on the version 1.5 the software was cracked, Reality didn't sell anymore and so Dave Smith abandoned the project....so the people at KVR are making just a pretestuous debate, based on nothing. :wink:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: poropat on March 04, 2006, 01:33:37 pm
At the same time, we won't need the original CD when we use instruments.
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: GeeBee on March 06, 2006, 01:36:47 am
I'm not for dongles, even if I have one for Cubase...
I think it bothers more the legal consumers than hackers.
I hope Arturia will hear us and go back to simple SN licence.
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: GeeBee on March 06, 2006, 01:39:16 am
the NI system is quite cool for me, but of course it requires an internet connection.
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: rnbeatz on March 06, 2006, 06:18:00 pm
I'm also not a big fan of dongles unless it's functional like a controller. If a synth was worth it a dongle wouldn't stop me from buying it but I'm not going to purchase a dongle to tryout a demo. Actually, I should say thank you for making the demo require a dongle becuase it stopped me from making an impulse purchase.
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: omissis on March 06, 2006, 09:06:41 pm
Quote from: "rnbeatz"
I should say thank for for making the demo require a dongle becuase it stopped me from making an impulse purchase.


SHHHHTT!!!! Before some developers will intend the dongle as an educational tool!!! No, seriously I'm hating this thing of dongles, even if Iain't got any problem  regarding the loss or stealth of them , I feel a bit like a "honest idiot" about them..... :roll:  :roll:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: poropat on March 06, 2006, 10:32:54 pm
In fact I think Arturia are tired because people could crack their software.
But at the same time they don't know how many customers
they got because of piracy.
And now if protection would become a real constraint for people
who buy their software, maybe more people will try to get a cracked
version for not being worried :roll:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: Didz@dron on March 07, 2006, 07:36:49 am
Quote from: "omissis"
Quote from: "rnbeatz"
I should say thank for for making the demo require a dongle becuase it stopped me from making an impulse purchase.


SHHHHTT!!!! Before some developers will intend the dongle as an educational tool!!! No, seriously I'm hating this thing of dongles, even if Iain't got any problem  regarding the loss or stealth of them , I feel a bit like a "honest idiot" about them..... :roll:  :roll:


So do I now  :?
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: Didz@dron on March 07, 2006, 07:53:25 am
Quote
SHHHHTT!!!! Before some developers will intend the dongle as an educational tool !

Hm, people might also be educated in the wrong way though  :P  :lol:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: omissis on March 07, 2006, 03:20:41 pm
This doesn't mean I won't buy Arturia products, because it's silly to state this, I owe one to Arturia for having always been fair, kind and skilled guys and being their CS80 one of the best sounding synths I've ever tried;
but....
..... something changes now with the dongles, this either with Arturia or whatever else company out there:
this kind of copy protection is way costier than any other kind of protection, to ensure the USB key is a non logic idea, the costs of this copy protection are put on the legitimate  users so , my expectations about the quality of the products do increase exponentially ; if , before the dongle , I got buggy programs, now I want bugfree programs, if before I had few support now I want full and live support, if before  I had 80% faithful emulations, now I want 200% faithful emulations.
The market is the market, the user is the user, don't get what I want? I'll go, sadly but willingly, elsewhere.....
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: poropat on March 07, 2006, 05:01:54 pm
right Max!!Seems a logical deal
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: omissis on March 07, 2006, 07:45:24 pm
...and now the flames moved to the bad quality of the audio demos.....

to tell the truth, the only audio demo I'm actually liking is "Prophetable" , but it shows little of the audio capabilities....what I suggest could be a long composition focused on different genres , yes, just like it happens on the  :arrow:  SoundCanvas for example ( :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen: ), maybe a crappy "sounds-like" thingie , like show kind of orchestral, leads, pads, efx , weird things....

Or maybe , like I said elsewhere, Arturia could make a demo contest  :wink: !
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: Didz@dron on March 07, 2006, 09:26:53 pm
I guess Jean-Michel Blanchet is working on one at the moment. He's quite a nice composer and so is Gilles Pommereuil  :D
Let's wait and see (well hear)  :wink:
By the way, I can't download the demo ... when I submit my info, I get neither link nor activation code  :(
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: omissis on March 07, 2006, 10:36:11 pm
Gilles isn't working anymore for Arturia, AFAIK...
About the demo I think you have to write to the support mail  :wink:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: Didz@dron on March 07, 2006, 10:49:17 pm
Gilles has left Arturia, too sad ... He and Frederic Brun are Arturia's creators. Anyhow, I wish him good luck in his career. I hope JMB is still here making some good presets for our beloved synths. At the moment, the various debates regarding the prophet on KvR are getting worse and worse, that's insane in some way. Ok, the dongle may be a problem for some users but damn, the way the guys speak of the sound demo's really piss me off. Why such killing words ?  :roll:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: omissis on March 08, 2006, 12:23:33 am
Because they have fun themselves this way........ :?
I'm not sure about Gilles, JMB is still there though!!!
KVR is full of moralists who will argue with a company if they put a dongle as a copy protection but , at the same time, don't dislike to warez their things or elsehow, they dream to live forever with freewares....I'm not that kind of guy, I'll make a criticism about the actual way of Arturia because I want this company to go on, that's all....
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: GeeBee on March 08, 2006, 02:43:58 pm
I never got a warez synth but I hate dongle.
I think it's a bad thing and as some people say, maybe they will loose some customers.
Brass, prophet... that's not what I was waiting for. Finally I bought Reaktor who offers some good recreation of vintage synth (Equinoxe synth is good for Jarre strings type). I found emulations of Arp Odissey, Axxe, Omni, Quadra :), SH 101, Synthi, and some others...
Maybe I will definitely stay on Reaktor.
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: Didz@dron on March 08, 2006, 02:52:20 pm
To be honest I'd like to go reaktor too but I'm afraid it may be hard for me to create my ensembles  :oops:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: omissis on March 08, 2006, 03:19:18 pm
I'll buy the Prophet and , since I'm a registered user, I'll take advantage of the offer, dongle or not..
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: omissis on March 08, 2006, 03:27:21 pm
Quote from: "Didz@dron"
To be honest I'd like to go reaktor too but I'm afraid it may be hard for me to create my ensembles  :oops:


Reaktor has the dongle too :wink: .... to tell the truth I'm familiar with that program since the past times of Generator which I bought used and always was frightened by the floppies, it is a powerful program but you need to get used to it, after you get it , you'll any more be able to catch the horizon of the possibilities...!!! For the moment I'll stick with my beloved CS80(V) and in some days, mr.Prophet...anyway I think I'll register the Prophet on its key and, eventually , the CS80 on a spare key, I can't allow myself to loose two synthesizers by loosing (or having stolen) one single key :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: Didz@dron on March 08, 2006, 03:31:01 pm
So will I. I've been trying the demo and wow, it rocks the house I must admit  :P KvR afficionados had better buy a dongle to play it a little instead of posting the same complaints over and over  :shock:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: GeeBee on March 08, 2006, 03:35:00 pm
no dongle for reaktor, only serial number and registering on the NI website. ;)
No need to create your own instrument... you can download lots of them made by others ;) or simply use the ones included with the software.
and it sounds very good for me.
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: Didz@dron on March 08, 2006, 03:37:52 pm
Quote from: "omissis"
Quote from: "Didz@dron"
To be honest I'd like to go reaktor too but I'm afraid it may be hard for me to create my ensembles  :oops:


Reaktor has the dongle too :wink: .... to tell the truth I'm familiar with that program since the past times of Generator which I bought used and always was frightened by the floppies, it is a powerful program but you need to get used to it, after you get it , you'll any more be able to catch the horizon of the possibilities...!!! For the moment I'll stick with my beloved CS80(V) and in some days, mr.Prophet...anyway I think I'll register the Prophet on its key and, eventually , the CS80 on a spare key, I can't allow myself to loose two synthesizers by loosing (or having stolen) one single key :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:


I'll buy the prophet before. Regarding the dongle, I'll use the only one I have. I never move from here so I can't lose it or get robbed of it, at least I think so. By the way, isn't it possible to tranfer the data from one key to another ?
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: omissis on March 08, 2006, 03:42:41 pm
Absolutely not....apart from the fact that the chip is physically flashed when you register the product , you should understand why the same licence can't be transfered by the user :twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:

Only if you happen to break it you must return it to Arturia and they will eventually make the transfer
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: pmwaring on March 08, 2006, 07:23:31 pm
Quote from: "omissis"
I'll buy the Prophet and , since I'm a registered user, I'll take advantage of the offer, dongle or not..


Me too,

However, I cannot seem to buy the Prophet V using the special offer as it says one of my plugins isn't registered, which it is, as firstly I have the "registration successful" emails and secondly if I try to re-register I am told my serial numbers are already in use.

I have emailed tecnical support as suggested to see if they can help.

Paul.

EDIT: I managed to sort out my difficulties. The instructions say to enter First Name, Surname and then the Serial Number into each field. In fact all you need to do is enter the respective serial numbers.
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: omissis on March 08, 2006, 08:42:29 pm
Heh, I'm not so convinced this much to buy the Prophet V immediately ...the offer is valid if you have registered ALL 4 $YNTHE$IZER$ SEPARATELY!!!!! I'll wait if a store places it at a lower price than the plain retail price.... :cry:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: poropat on March 08, 2006, 09:56:25 pm
I didn't know about any offer for people who registered 4 vst's
separately, and the problem it's I bought Prophet V full price :evil:  :evil:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: pmwaring on March 08, 2006, 10:41:34 pm
Quote from: "poropat"
I didn't know about any offer for people who registered 4 vst's
separately...


Neither did I until omissis mentioned it in this thread. I would have thought that Arturia may have let those of us who have registered all four plugins know about the deal via email.
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: omissis on March 08, 2006, 10:49:28 pm
http://www.arturia.com/en/specialoffer/prophetv_offer.php

You can reach it from the homepage : Shop> ProphetV special offer
M
Title: Re: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: Elhardt on March 09, 2006, 08:45:29 am
Quote from: "Didz@dron"
Most people there claim their using a steinberg vst host but keep shitting over Arturia's policy regarding the use of a dongle for demoing the brand new Prophet V. What's the problem ?:


I'll tell you why.  I buy a dongle copy protected software.  Then I buy another copy protected software but I don't have anymore ports on my computer for another dongle, let alone many of them.

Or how about I buy a new Mac that only has USB ports but my old dongle uses the ADB, then I have to either spend a hefty fee to swap with the company to get a USB one, or I have to buy a USB to ADB converter.

Or how about I buy a piece of dongled software for my Mac.  Later I buy a faster PC and would like to move the software to the PC, but I can't unless like above, I send in my Mac dongle in exchange for a PC one.  Then what happens if I get a faster Mac and I want to go back to the Mac again?  Or what if I want the PC as a backup incase my Mac goes down.

You can't run a piece of software on multiple computers with a dongle.

These are just a few of the dumbass problems these software companies cause by forcing their unacceptable copy protection schemes on us.  In the mean time, pirates crack the protection scheme in one day and upload it somewhere.  I can't see the purpose of a copy protection that doesn't actually protect copying.  So it's pointless to begin with.

-Elhardt
Title: Re: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: omissis on March 09, 2006, 11:37:47 am
Quote from: "Elhardt"
Quote from: "Didz@dron"
Most people there claim their using a steinberg vst host but keep shitting over Arturia's policy regarding the use of a dongle for demoing the brand new Prophet V. What's the problem ?:


I'll tell you why.  I buy a dongle copy protected software.  Then I buy another copy protected software but I don't have anymore ports on my computer for another dongle, let alone many of them.

Or how about I buy a new Mac that only has USB ports but my old dongle uses the ADB, then I have to either spend a hefty fee to swap with the company to get a USB one, or I have to buy a USB to ADB converter.

Or how about I buy a piece of dongled software for my Mac.  Later I buy a faster PC and would like to move the software to the PC, but I can't unless like above, I send in my Mac dongle in exchange for a PC one.  Then what happens if I get a faster Mac and I want to go back to the Mac again?  Or what if I want the PC as a backup incase my Mac goes down.

You can't run a piece of software on multiple computers with a dongle.

These are just a few of the dumbass problems these software companies cause by forcing their unacceptable copy protection schemes on us.  In the mean time, pirates crack the protection scheme in one day and upload it somewhere.  I can't see the purpose of a copy protection that doesn't actually protect copying.  So it's pointless to begin with.

-Elhardt


Can't do nothing but quote each single word of you Elhardt, adding more that a lower price wouldn't defy piracy but could contribute to have it controlled because of the ability of the software to be more popular, lower the price, more people will buy legitimate licenses....anyway I'm afraid we can go much beyond the debate on the copy protection....... :roll:  :roll:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: Didz@dron on March 10, 2006, 10:20:43 pm
Quote from: "poropat"
I didn't know about any offer for people who registered 4 vst's
separately, and the problem it's I bought Prophet V full price :evil:  :evil:

Sorry for being curious Poropat, but have you received your copy ? Did you order it through the arturia online shop ?  :oops:
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: poropat on March 11, 2006, 09:31:36 am
hi didz@ron

I just received my copy this morning, with the dongle
and a card with Artutia Licence number.
In fact they started shipping for prophetV on Thursday
March 9th.
But we can't register yet on their site, they didn't
provide yet the proper option to register prophetV.

It seems to be the same version as the demo.
I saw no difference.
Title: Why do people hate dongles so much ?
Post by: Didz@dron on March 11, 2006, 11:49:06 am
Thanks for your answer. Now I know it's really available. Regarding the registration, as it's a dongle protected synth, it's not a problem if the option is not available yet. I guess it will be very soon.
Have fun  8)