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Title: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Jan Juno on November 08, 2020, 03:44:37 pm
I come to the conclusion that i love the idea of the product, but i hate the execution of it. I come so far with this product but this problem got me now: Now i want to record a simple bassline, everytime i record it records on 16 instead of 1. So i am always before??!?! I also can't rely on 1 bar ahead record buffer or i play 64 steps and wait to play on 1 which also placed my note on 16. I am not a good piano player but i come from the old mpc 2000 days and i know how to play on point for record and it is off.

This is a unusable piece of s**t. I can't rely on it. Hey Arturia i hope reading this, i really do.

To explain how i feel: So imagine i bought a guitar and want to play it. So the creator of this guitar says to me sorry the fingerboard metal strips are missing you can 't play notes for now, we will deliver this later in an update. So in this case i can not use my guitar but the creator got all the money for his promise that it can. Arturia what is this? I come to the conclusion that i pay upfront for a piece of "It could" that will be fixed "sometime". Please explain this. I can sell you cars without engine?

My Problems so far:

- The metronome sucks and isn't in sync what you recorded in my case every time 1 step behind, it will be recorded on 16
- Midi Channel changing is a disaster and unusable for live purpose, why so complicated? Really WHY? (You guys did it well on BSP, do you guys talk with each other in dev phase?)
- Since a firmware update the ksp won't start, need several attempts
- Shutdown / Comeback doesn't work always need to select the project and tracks again
- Note On/Off Reverse not fixed
- No Global Transposition like promised in commercials
- No Saving of ARPs not even in the first update
- Crashes sometimes
- Check the forum is full of bugs
- And last of All, NOT BEING TRANSPARENT AT ALL

The last point bugs me the most, the totally intransparency in your development process? Really? Sometimes some dudes come here writes something in terms of: "Will be fixed" and then it is not. We hear nothing, i know why, you already got your money. You don't care thats why.



Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: psienide on November 08, 2020, 10:41:28 pm
Totally agree with the sentiments here. Everyone who pays attention to these forums can see that Arturia seems to release great  product ideas that just fall short in multiple ways. Then they leave you hanging for months or years without any resolution. Look at the MatrixBrute as a primary example. I continue to buy these products unfortunately. I keep thinking that they will wise up and listen to their fans and address these things. But it's always too little too late.

I most recently purchased the KSP and while I don't yet have the same gripes, I'm expecting that any I do find I will just have to live with forever. I had the same experience with the minibrute2s. The sequencer implementation has a few painful bugs that I have griped about here in the forum multiple times and there is no acknowledgement ever by anyone from their staff. Perhaps the forums are just for unaddressed ramblings by pissed off fans. KSP will probably be my last hardware purchase from Arturia.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: synthcreep on November 09, 2020, 06:59:40 pm
As long as people keep purchasing these products Arturia will keep using their customers as unpaid alpha testers.

I have purchased three Arturia products - a Microbrute, a Beatstep Pro and the Keystep Pro.  The Keystep Pro will be the last Arturia product I purchase without extensive user feedback showing the device functionally works and I most certainly will not purchase an Arturia product anywhere near launch. 

I also no longer trust any of the outlets that posted or continue to post positive reviews of the KSP.  Engadget I expect shameless shilling ("a near perfect midi controller for hardware synth fans") from but I am extremely disappointed in Sound On Sound for not being more upfront.  The number of Youtube reviews skipping over fundamental issues affecting the KSP is especially disappointing.

Thanks to the Keystep Pro I now view Arturia now as equivalent to Behringer.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: MajorFubar on November 10, 2020, 01:29:57 pm
Everyone who pays attention to these forums can see that Arturia seems to release great  product ideas that just fall short in multiple ways. Then they leave you hanging for months or years without any resolution. Look at the MatrixBrute as a primary example.
My personal opinion is they have fingers in too many pies and instead of being master of one trade they have become jack of all. Once upon a time, all they made were VSTs, and they did it very well. You could argue they were market leaders in that field. Then one day they perhaps felt they had to broaden their horizons when the market changed and people drifted back towards hardware. But what they seem to do is launch some new toy, throw resources at patching firmware bugs for say the first six weeks, then any bugs still needing fixed have to fight with the rest of their hardware/software for resource-time while their programmers concentrate on delivering the next under-developed new toy.

Not sure why i'm typing this because any Arturia employees who will read it and silently agree with me don't have the power to change company strategy, and those who have the power to change company strategy won't read it.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: al80 on November 11, 2020, 10:33:44 am
90% ksp pro is the last product i am buying  from arturia.never seen so many bugs on a product.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Jan Juno on November 11, 2020, 01:54:07 pm
It seems i am not the only one.

Think of that you are a company creating tools and software for musicians. When you look back at Moog, Roland, Akai and so on they have created devices still loved and used today. Legend Machines like MPC, Model D and so on. My goal would be to bring that company in that field. But you can only do that with a product that delivers the promise you give for it. Arturia isn't doing that. i feel as an Alpha tester to find bugs they won't search for.

As an UX Designer always checking flows and functionality with the background of marketing and CX. What Arturia does in their field is so unbelievable wrong.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: bdrank on November 15, 2020, 10:09:00 pm
When you look back at Moog, Roland, Akai and so on they have created devices still loved and used today. Legend Machines like MPC, Model D and so on.

The original keystep is the most popular midi keyboard of all time..

I'd also like to see bugs fixed and simple intuitive features added, which should have been there in the first place, like being able to record chord memory into the sequencer. Keep in mind Arturia has a lot of products they're doing support & development on.

I'm looking forward to the next update, and I hope it's soon, but calling it an unusable piece of shit isn't true. You can always sell it.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: psienide on November 16, 2020, 12:52:54 am
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but calling it an unusable piece of shit isn't true

Ahem.

Perspective is important here. If the poster bought it because of the promises of global transpose, for instance, it would definitely be unusable. And now everyone knowing it does less than claimed as well as not excelling at the things it is supposed to do, street value suffers.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: bdrank on November 16, 2020, 03:49:32 am
I agree global tranpose is a simple feature that should have been there in the first place.

Street value isn't suffering. Look at recent going prices on reverb and ebay..

The "unusable pieces of shit" are going for $350 second hand.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: psienide on November 16, 2020, 04:10:40 am
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Street value isn't suffering. Look at recent going prices on reverb and ebay..

The "unusable pieces of shit" are going for $350 second hand.

Either all of the used items sold right away or you're just lying to prop up your favorite capitalist instrument maker. I don't see any used KSP on reverb or ebay currently. Not an offer below $399. Care to share a screenshot of your claim there? 

There are tons of new offers on both and no used offers. Maybe a testament to people just not buying the damned thing after all the bad reviews.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: bdrank on November 16, 2020, 04:33:50 am
Huh? I said look at listings which have sold..Ebay sold listings, Reverb's price guide.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Carney#12 on November 17, 2020, 02:31:22 am
It's the most frustrating piece of music hardware I've ever purchased, and I agree with you completely about the prerelease hype youtuber reviews.
Several reviewers really showed who they are by trying to polish this turd and destroyed any credibility I thought they had. I'm never ordering ANY music gear pre-release again.

Lessons learned.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: spnc on November 17, 2020, 08:06:51 am
It's the most important industrial disaster in the world of electronic music instruments yet to be seen.

Meanwhile Arturia CEO is happily showing off he's stealing your money on YouTube responding to interviews on how Arturia is great blablabla
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Jan Juno on November 17, 2020, 09:32:38 pm
Regarding maintaining all the hardware. Don't produce them in the first place or finish the product you promised. Is that easy. It is a piece of hardware but it is the software i can't rely on, thats whats bugs me, this can be fixed and it isn't for months now.

So now i want to step record. You should see me. i play 64 steps, step by step, slowly to make sure i played right and even that isn't working properly. it will skip notes completely it is a total mess.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Carney#12 on November 17, 2020, 11:33:08 pm

So now i want to step record. You should see me. i play 64 steps, step by step, slowly to make sure i played right and even that isn't working properly. it will skip notes completely it is a total mess.


Yeah. We bought a step sequencer that doesn't work properly. It's that cut and dry.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: mylorman on November 20, 2020, 06:40:17 am
Totally agree with the sentiments here. Everyone who pays attention to these forums can see that Arturia seems to release great  product ideas that just fall short in multiple ways. Then they leave you hanging for months or years without any resolution. Look at the MatrixBrute as a primary example. I continue to buy these products unfortunately. I keep thinking that they will wise up and listen to their fans and address these things. But it's always too little too late.

I most recently purchased the KSP and while I don't yet have the same gripes, I'm expecting that any I do find I will just have to live with forever. I had the same experience with the minibrute2s. The sequencer implementation has a few painful bugs that I have griped about here in the forum multiple times and there is no acknowledgement ever by anyone from their staff. Perhaps the forums are just for unaddressed ramblings by pissed off fans. KSP will probably be my last hardware purchase from Arturia.

I totally agree 100% .. really pisses me off as well.. seems like total disregard for the consumer !
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Edouard_Arturia on November 25, 2020, 10:30:58 am
Hello.

Sorry to hear these frustrated words.
An update greatly improving the sync, usb driver and other fixes is about to be released, this update enhances a lot the KSP reliability.

We are currently working on the next 2.0 update to bring news additions to the KSP feature set and resolve any remaining issues that could arise.

Kind regards, and stay safe.

Edouard


Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Jan Juno on December 06, 2020, 08:04:27 pm
So now it got heavy groundnoise routing to my gear coming from Keystep Pro from mine Midi Port.

"You can use it with everything"

-> Ground Noise as F***

Will sell it in the next weeks i am done with this one.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Jan Juno on December 16, 2020, 12:46:30 pm
So now after upgrading my Keystep Pro isn't starting anymore.

Arturia is such a great company...
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: MajorFubar on December 16, 2020, 01:12:35 pm
Not good :-( Would recommend raising a ticket.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Jan Juno on December 16, 2020, 09:55:37 pm
So after i hooked it up on a power supply now i still got these nice record issue again it won`t record on 1 it is always on 16. Nice Job Devs, you did an amazing job. Are you proud guys? You should be. You are the reason muscians are so of hate for arturia. Maybe also for the decline of margins. it is not about the ideas of the product, the Vision is nice, really nice. But the execution? Meh you guys can't even develop a stupid toaster...

Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Jan Juno on December 21, 2020, 01:16:25 pm
So now Notes are recorded i didn't record. I play them along for groove to check if it works and they got recorded somehow. Nothing is active on this step. Wonderful product... NOT.

Yeah, software quality is top notch. THis companys hebavior in selling products is so bad it is unbelievable.

NEVER AGAIN. Already took fotos of it, will sell it when my new controller arrives in march. But will keep you posted about this unusable piece of S***.

Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: MajorFubar on December 21, 2020, 01:39:04 pm
Just a suggestion but if you're finding it not fit for purpose can you not return it and get your money back? If you sell it you will surely lose out.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: MajorFubar on December 22, 2020, 08:22:30 am
Just a suggestion but if you're finding it not fit for purpose can you not return it and get your money back? If you sell it you will surely lose out.

Has it occurred to you Einstein that it's too late for him to do so? Damn, each and every word coming out of your mouth is so pointless lol smth.
Stop being so easily triggered. Reported. Mods: please delete and block this troll.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Edouard_Arturia on December 22, 2020, 09:04:21 am
Hello Jan Juno.

The behaviours you are describing are not normal at all and can most likely be solved.
I don't think I've seen these behaviour arising from the beta test group.

1- Have you raised a support ticket?
If not, please do it, Leo will help you sort this out.
Don't forget to send him a precise description of your setup to ease the troubleshoot process.

Best

Edouard
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Jan Juno on December 23, 2020, 01:48:24 am
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ello Jan Juno.

The behaviours you are describing are not normal at all and can most likely be solved.
I don't think I've seen these behaviour arising from the beta test group.

1- Have you raised a support ticket?
If not, please do it, Leo will help you sort this out.
Don't forget to send him a precise description of your setup to ease the troubleshoot process.

Best

Edouard

Hi Edouardt,

thank you for reaching out, took some time. But i am sorry you are too late. I will sell the KSP and the BSP since i am heavily disappointed in both of the products. The late reach out shows another point of why i will leave Arturia hardware products. I would recommend reading some of my post here in this thread also on my profile. You will see some good intensions and trys of mine to reach out to you as a customer. My recommondation would be to listen closely what you users are needing, not what they "want" to need. If crucial things aren`t working the product isn`t fun anymore, if it goes bad it will be hated. The KSP is lacking of stable software i would describe it as early beta. I paid a lot of bugs to be part of a "beta group" at least thats how i see it.

Like i mentioned early in this post, i loved the vision of the products but the execution lacks, i know it is hard to develop a product ready to market but at least you should deliver what you promise. I came here to post something else today, but i saw your post so i took some time to write the above. This is what i wanted to post: Now i want to save a Scene and track 4 but it isn`t saving what i want to, its always saving pattern 1. Even a reset won`t help. You see... promise?
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Jan Juno on December 23, 2020, 01:49:49 am
Just a suggestion but if you're finding it not fit for purpose can you not return it and get your money back? If you sell it you will surely lose out.

 Might work will check on that need to check the invoice, i was early adpoter so i dunno if time is good here.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: psienide on December 23, 2020, 02:25:36 am
Just a note for everyone here:

The forum isn't a channel for Arturia tech support.
If you have an issue, submit a ticket.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Jan Juno on December 23, 2020, 12:44:47 pm
Just a note for everyone here:

The forum isn't a channel for Arturia tech support.
If you have an issue, submit a ticket.

Then they should close all technical pages. The people posting here for help and they aren‘t getting any.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: synthcreep on December 23, 2020, 08:18:28 pm
Closing these pages would then prevent users from assisting each other. 

I've been here a while now and people are pretty good about noting that you need to open a ticket if you want Arturia to formally assist. 
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: psienide on December 24, 2020, 02:04:45 am
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Then they should close all technical pages. The people posting here for help and they aren‘t getting any.

This is obviously more of an end-user community forum.
People posting to technical issues stubs are asking the community. Not Arturia tech support. I have assisted users with quite a few issues personally, and if something seems wrong or outside my realm, I will tell the user to contact support.

This is what you should be doing for these issues instead of lazily ranting. Have you put in a single ticket with support yet?
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: 0x80 on January 06, 2021, 07:24:06 pm
I'm also pretty shocked to find out how bad Arturia is at making firmware. I left my KSP sitting in a box because I read it was buggy and missing some essential features I was expecting it to have. I come back almost a year later to find out that the thing is still full of bugs  >:(

I sat with it for 3 evenings and every evening I reached one or more occasions where I had to restart the unit because it was stuck on some weird behavior. I bought this device primarily to have a simple hands-on playable live thing, but that requires it to be super reliable otherwise it's useless to me.

Sorry Arturia but I don't think I will purchase one of your devices again.

PS: Can you please make the verification letters so they are readable? FFS
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: BigFknRobots on March 02, 2021, 01:11:57 pm
PS: Can you please make the verification letters so they are readable? FFS

It's not just me!

I had to click the audio button!
Works wayyyy better
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: ModGrip on March 02, 2021, 09:05:42 pm
Mine worked great from day one and is a really intuitive and creative piece of hardware.

Love it.

Global transpose would have been great because now I have to buy a NDLR.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: tartpop on March 03, 2021, 12:11:33 am
Mine worked great from day one and is a really intuitive and creative piece of hardware.

Love it.

Global transpose would have been great because now I have to buy a NDLR.

I just looked up the NDLR and wow, yeah, now I need to buy one too!
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: ModGrip on March 03, 2021, 10:10:55 am
Haha.

Sorry to off GAS on you 👍
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Xinod on March 06, 2021, 11:03:17 am
I hate it too. Completely uninspiring, unreliable and weak in its functionality, at least in this moment in time.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: ernotronic on March 28, 2021, 06:10:38 pm
I'm really disturbed by the harm you're causing your users community by releasing this PIECE OF SHIT. I have never seen something like this. I can't enter a normal sequence. Even basic operations are not working. WHY HAVE YOU DONE THIS TO YOUR USERS COMMUNITY? WHY????

Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Andrew Henderson on March 28, 2021, 07:16:25 pm
I'm really disturbed by the harm you're causing your users community by releasing this PIECE OF SHIT. I have never seen something like this. I can't enter a normal sequence. Even basic operations are not working. WHY HAVE YOU DONE THIS TO YOUR USERS COMMUNITY? WHY????

Please be patient.  I know it has been a long while and we are all frustrated, but good things are coming. 
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Edouard_Arturia on March 29, 2021, 09:17:06 am
Mine worked great from day one and is a really intuitive and creative piece of hardware.

Love it.

Global transpose would have been great because now I have to buy a NDLR.

Hello.
Global transpose is part of the next update.
The next update will be released mid/late April.
Best
Edouard
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: dct on March 29, 2021, 10:48:20 am
Many users are waiting for the 2.0 update. Glad it is only a matter of weeks now. It would help keeping the mood up, if Arturia would publish asap the release notes, with expected new functionalities and bugfixes.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Pure Mint on April 11, 2021, 10:37:22 am
Is this accurate?  I am about to buy a KSP to control a modular rack, but reading this it seems that people are really frustrated with it.  Yet I watch YouTube videos and it seems to work fairly well (e.g. Loopop, 11 months ago, notes a couple of missed notes, usually on beat 1, but otherwise looks really good).

Reading these comments above, it would seem that nothing works, and is that really the case?  I appreciate that some things like global transpose, recording arps etc. is not currently implemented, and hope they will be, but before i hit the 'buy' button can someone honestly tell me if this is just grumpiness or genuinely a product that doesn't work at its fundamental basic level.

Also if anyone can post what are the likely bug fixes for 2.0 that would be great.  Thanks
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: TinyVince on April 11, 2021, 02:03:30 pm
He works. Not perfect with a lot of missing features that other arturia sequencer units have implementated.
In some cases much better but with a few bugs or issue you know. You should it not regret it to buy.
I´ve heard the v2 firmware shouldn't be long in coming .

Like my KSP but sometimes reconnect my BSP additional.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: synthcreep on April 11, 2021, 10:25:14 pm
Is this accurate?  I am about to buy a KSP to control a modular rack, but reading this it seems that people are really frustrated with it. 

It's accurate but it does depend on how you use the KSP how much you are affected (I like Lopop but that review was misleading as are most such reviews).  Also note that the KSP was in much worse shape initially with common hardware lockups, MCC destroying of projects, etc. which is why many of us are going to be far less forgiving of Arturia's mis-steps.  The KSP was released in an early alpha state which is not cool. 

To my knowledge the biggest outstanding bugs as of today are that the arpeggiator does not work properly and that step record routinely stops working.   How important are those features to you?

My suggestion would be to wait until the next firmware lands and you see owner (not professional "reviewer") feedback before pulling the trigger.     
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: MajorFubar on April 12, 2021, 10:16:12 am
Buy it and if it doesn't meet your needs return it (in new condition of course). Most countries have trading regulations allowing you to do this.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: eric on April 16, 2021, 09:33:40 am
I come to the conclusion that i love the idea of the product, but i hate the execution of it. I come so far with this product but this problem got me now: Now i want to record a simple bassline, everytime i record it records on 16 instead of 1. So i am always before??!?! I also can't rely on 1 bar ahead record buffer or i play 64 steps and wait to play on 1 which also placed my note on 16. I am not a good piano player but i come from the old mpc 2000 days and i know how to play on point for record and it is off.

This is a unusable piece of s**t. I can't rely on it. Hey Arturia i hope reading this, i really do.

To explain how i feel: So imagine i bought a guitar and want to play it. So the creator of this guitar says to me sorry the fingerboard metal strips are missing you can 't play notes for now, we will deliver this later in an update. So in this case i can not use my guitar but the creator got all the money for his promise that it can. Arturia what is this? I come to the conclusion that i pay upfront for a piece of "It could" that will be fixed "sometime". Please explain this. I can sell you cars without engine?

My Problems so far:

- The metronome sucks and isn't in sync what you recorded in my case every time 1 step behind, it will be recorded on 16
- Midi Channel changing is a disaster and unusable for live purpose, why so complicated? Really WHY? (You guys did it well on BSP, do you guys talk with each other in dev phase?)
- Since a firmware update the ksp won't start, need several attempts
- Shutdown / Comeback doesn't work always need to select the project and tracks again
- Note On/Off Reverse not fixed
- No Global Transposition like promised in commercials
- No Saving of ARPs not even in the first update
- Crashes sometimes
- Check the forum is full of bugs
- And last of All, NOT BEING TRANSPARENT AT ALL

The last point bugs me the most, the totally intransparency in your development process? Really? Sometimes some dudes come here writes something in terms of: "Will be fixed" and then it is not. We hear nothing, i know why, you already got your money. You don't care thats why.

+1000
I'm totaly disapointed !
I just bought the KSP 2 days ago... and I hate him so much...
I'll wait for the new firmware next days but if i can't record Arp I'll sell this piece of deception asap !
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: eric on April 30, 2021, 05:33:31 pm

Hello.
Global transpose is part of the next update.
The next update will be released mid/late April.
Best
Edouard
[/quote]

Hello,

Do you have any news about firmware ?

Thank you
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: oblivion on April 30, 2021, 06:27:14 pm

Do you have any news about firmware ?

Thank you

I am not affiliated with, nor do I speak for Arturia, but in a livestream KSP demo last night, Ian Martinez, "Marketing and Communications Specialist at Arturia," said he'd gotten an email that morning that it was still being worked on with no specific delivery date offered.  I asked in the Q&A at the end. So, as these things go, that 'April" timeline was optimistic. It'll get here eventually.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: eric on April 30, 2021, 11:01:41 pm
If Arturia made cars:

Arturia : "Here is your car... we'll deliver the engine next year, stay optimistic and fair please !"
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: eric on April 30, 2021, 11:34:12 pm
I bought a sequencer which sequences nothing... It does what it wants, it sends the notes which it decides to send, it is unable to send a program change, The Drum part is pitiful. .. in short, it's just a bad midi keyboard at 400 euros! Thank you Arturia. Thank you so much.

Franchement on va se parler en français vu que vous êtes français : sans déconner vous avez honte de rien ?
C'est tout bonnement scandaleux. Aucune communication. Rien. ça démontre simplement ce que nous sommes pour vous : des vaches à lait !
Je rapporte mon KSP dès lundi au magasin.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Xinod on May 01, 2021, 09:22:44 am

Do you have any news about firmware ?

Thank you

I am not affiliated with, nor do I speak for Arturia, but in a livestream KSP demo last night, Ian Martinez, "Marketing and Communications Specialist at Arturia," said he'd gotten an email that morning that it was still being worked on with no specific delivery date offered.  I asked in the Q&A at the end. So, as these things go, that 'April" timeline was optimistic. It'll get here eventually.
Perhaps “April” was right, just the year was optimistic.
Always thank you Arturia, if and when you’ll drop something to make this ...thing worth the PRO label.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: oblivion on May 03, 2021, 03:32:06 pm
Link?

Of course, sorry, I meant to include in the original, but think I was dashing off to lunch or something and forgot. It’s mentioned towards the end: https://www.facebook.com/groups/arturiausergroupchicago/permalink/4109875515738654/
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: eric on May 06, 2021, 04:36:04 pm
No program change...
So no regrets to bring it back to the store ;)
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Andrew Henderson on May 06, 2021, 07:30:41 pm
No program change...
So no regrets to bring it back to the store ;)

Program change messages do work.

Midi out 2 can be changed to a thru port, in MCC/Utility menu and in doing this, program change messages do get sent out to your external kit.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: eric on May 06, 2021, 09:41:49 pm
No program change...
So no regrets to bring it back to the store ;)

Program change messages do work.

Midi out 2 can be changed to a thru port, in MCC/Utility menu and in doing this, program change messages do get sent out to your external kit.

How to create a program change message with KSP ? The support team confirmed to me that it is impossible...
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Andrew Henderson on May 06, 2021, 11:07:29 pm
No program change...
So no regrets to bring it back to the store ;)

Program change messages do work.

Midi out 2 can be changed to a thru port, in MCC/Utility menu and in doing this, program change messages do get sent out to your external kit.

How to create a program change message with KSP ? The support team confirmed to me that it is impossible...

Ah, yes.  The KSP cannot generate program change messages, it can now pass them through the unit, onto another device, from another device that generates program change messages, such as a DAW.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: starlilyth on May 07, 2021, 10:00:12 pm
No program change...
So no regrets to bring it back to the store ;)

Program change messages do work.

Midi out 2 can be changed to a thru port, in MCC/Utility menu and in doing this, program change messages do get sent out to your external kit.

How to create a program change message with KSP ? The support team confirmed to me that it is impossible...

Ah, yes.  The KSP cannot generate program change messages, it can now pass them through the unit, onto another device, from another device that generates program change messages, such as a DAW.

This still makes it 100% useless to me, as I dont use a DAW.

Lily
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: slevin on May 08, 2021, 10:38:06 am
No program change...
So no regrets to bring it back to the store ;)

Program change messages do work.

Midi out 2 can be changed to a thru port, in MCC/Utility menu and in doing this, program change messages do get sent out to your external kit.

How to create a program change message with KSP ? The support team confirmed to me that it is impossible...

Ah, yes.  The KSP cannot generate program change messages, it can now pass them through the unit, onto another device, from another device that generates program change messages, such as a DAW.

So i have finaly given up to thinking about sending pgmchange msgs over my ksp and now try to achieve it differently. So i tried to get it to somehow to work to send programm changes additionally triggered by my DAW. but i think in my case the new midi thru option is not a added value or iam missing something?

I mean, my setup/midirouting is somthing like this: DAW > Keystep Pro > Midithrubox > Synths/Drummachine.

So when i want to sequence my gear with ksp and want to send pgmchanges from my daw to the gear it seems to be that i have to buy a merger anyway. Because it dont work well when i try to send midi from my daw to the ksp and use the out2 midithru option and bundle both outcoming signals to the midithrubox that goes to my gear.

This causes errors in the midi transmission, and i see no option to somehow merge a incoming signal with the general midisignal from the ksp and send it over to the gear expect with a additional mergerbox and in this case there will be no difference if i send the signal from my daw over the ksp miditrhu out to my merger or if i send it directly from the daw to the merger.
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Xinod on May 08, 2021, 08:10:48 pm
Now the question of this topic turning to... will you love the KSP 2.0?  ;D
Now we definitely start talking!!!
Title: Re: I hate the KSP now
Post by: Lognroll on May 10, 2021, 10:13:23 am
Two 2.0 NEW bugs :

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BD9Ysz6l0Zlg6n69HkU-E3xMhuYwwpWf/view?usp=drivesdk

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11lxwLlHRYySd0_o7hWRWiJnR0oyDrWtz/view?usp=drivesdk

- Arp beginning with a bucket of gates (it occurs if another voice is in arp mode, muted, etc... i don't remember exactly, i'm not paid for alpha testing what i buy.)
- Exclu/+1octave Arp first note fucked.
- There's another bug with Hold + Arp mode. Don't ask precision, i'm a software developper and have no time nor taste for debugging others programming shit. The KSP just burns in Hell.

************* CUSTOMERS ARE NOT ALPHA TESTERS ****************

I won't even try more complex features, i can't stand that so basic ones still suck.


PS: will Behringer release a 200 bucks SWING PRO ? (Same bugs, half price.)