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Title: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: SingleCell on February 17, 2020, 09:49:09 am
Since, in the new 2.0 version, those 4 User Modulation buttons now light up, it gave me the idea for using them to switch between pages of the Matrix Arpeggiator.  This could allow for longer patterns, up to 4 pages (64 steps) long. 

Alternately, they could be used for The Sequencer and Matrix Arpeggiator both, to switch between 4 different Sequences on the fly... with all 4 pages being stored with the current patch.


They could also be used to select 4 different banks of Presets, for that matter...
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: VAU on February 17, 2020, 12:45:18 pm
in fact we could have 256 pages of presets / bars of seq or arp / tunings / and much more

i've been asking for this

since feb 2017 here:

https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=90177.0


and hope a lot of people have input for an external box as a possible solution, described here:

https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=101229.0
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: guyaguy on February 18, 2020, 06:34:46 am

Alternately, they could be used for The Sequencer and Matrix Arpeggiator both, to switch between 4 different Sequences on the fly... with all 4 pages being stored with the current patch.

I'd definitely be interested in this. I have a Sequential Pro 3 on the way and it allows up to 4 sequences on one preset.

On other synths there's a workaround where you can store the same patch on another preset that includes a different sequence. But the MxB has a signal drop on preset changes.
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: SingleCell on February 19, 2020, 01:15:18 am
@guyaguy:  You can pull up a Sequencer/Matrix Arpeggiator pattern on the fly from another preset using the Patterns button... but that can take two hands, if the pattern in question is saved on the left side of the matrix, and you have to remember which one to pull up.  So, having multiple sequences stored within a preset (and only one button press away) is a matter of convenience, really.
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: yeskeys on February 22, 2020, 09:42:24 pm

Alternately, they could be used for The Sequencer and Matrix Arpeggiator both, to switch between 4 different Sequences on the fly... with all 4 pages being stored with the current patch.

I'd definitely be interested in this. I have a Sequential Pro 3 on the way and it allows up to 4 sequences on one preset.

On other synths there's a workaround where you can store the same patch on another preset that includes a different sequence. But the MxB has a signal drop on preset changes.

Please let us know your impressions of the Pro3.  I am pondering getting that and selling MB.  Thanks!
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: guyaguy on February 24, 2020, 08:40:27 am
@guyaguy:  You can pull up a Sequencer/Matrix Arpeggiator pattern on the fly from another preset using the Patterns button... but that can take two hands, if the pattern in question is saved on the left side of the matrix, and you have to remember which one to pull up.  So, having multiple sequences stored within a preset (and only one button press away) is a matter of convenience, really.
Yep itís more of a workflow enhancement. Having to remember to hit H11 for example to get to the next sequence is just inconvenient enough.
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: guyaguy on February 24, 2020, 08:49:24 am

Alternately, they could be used for The Sequencer and Matrix Arpeggiator both, to switch between 4 different Sequences on the fly... with all 4 pages being stored with the current patch.

I'd definitely be interested in this. I have a Sequential Pro 3 on the way and it allows up to 4 sequences on one preset.

On other synths there's a workaround where you can store the same patch on another preset that includes a different sequence. But the MxB has a signal drop on preset changes.

Please let us know your impressions of the Pro3.  I am pondering getting that and selling MB.  Thanks!

I got mine this week and itís a beast. Thick analog oscillators, lovely wavetables, big bottom end, rich filters, and all of that. The modulation is probably a bit deeper than the MxB and probably just as easy to patch. But the Pro-3 sequencer is miles aheadó13 tracks of modulation vs one on the MxB, easy mapping, ratcheting, etc. But Iím keeping both and losing the Subsequent and Analog Keys. I still love the MxB for crusty sounds, the wavefolder, the modulateable BBD, etc. And you might miss the larger keyboard, larger CV patchbay, etc. so it might depend on which features are important to you.
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: VAU on February 26, 2020, 11:27:13 pm


I got mine this week and itís a beast. Thick analog oscillators, lovely wavetables, big bottom end, rich filters, and all of that. The modulation is probably a bit deeper than the MxB and probably just as easy to patch. But the Pro-3 sequencer is miles aheadó13 tracks of modulation vs one on the MxB, easy mapping, ratcheting, etc. But Iím keeping both and losing the Subsequent and Analog Keys. I still love the MxB for crusty sounds, the wavefolder, the modulateable BBD, etc. And you might miss the larger keyboard, larger CV patchbay, etc. so it might depend on which features are important to you.


when you modulate the gate length on the pro 3 sequencer
and you sequence then the MB with the pro3,
will the different gate lengths be transmitted to the MB ?
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: SingleCell on February 26, 2020, 11:39:16 pm
You guys are really derailing my thread
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: VAU on February 27, 2020, 12:23:07 am
again, what you are asking for, i've been asking for since 2017
and i also made suggestions for an extension box

unfortunately, not a lot of people are able to see how useful
more pages would be. although i know, once they would be introduced,
everybody would thank ARTURIA on their knees for it.

and the reason why i asked guyaguy about his pro3 sequencer is
just because of the fact, that i am afraid, that ARTURIA will neither deliver more
pages nor extension box, although technically possible.

and because of this, i am looking for a nice workaround, like a good seq/arp combi
like the Pro3 seems to have.

in fact we could have 256 pages of presets / bars of seq or arp / tunings / and much more

i've been asking for this

since feb 2017 here:

https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=90177.0


and hope a lot of people have input for an external box as a possible solution, described here:

https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=101229.0

Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: SingleCell on February 27, 2020, 04:17:52 am
Yeah....

.... no.  I stand by my previous comment.
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: yeskeys on March 20, 2020, 05:53:57 pm

Please let us know your impressions of the Pro3.  I am pondering getting that and selling MB.  Thanks!
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got mine this week and itís a beast. Thick analog oscillators, lovely wavetables, big bottom end, rich filters, and all of that. The modulation is probably a bit deeper than the MxB and probably just as easy to patch. But the Pro-3 sequencer is miles aheadó13 tracks of modulation vs one on the MxB, easy mapping, ratcheting, etc. But Iím keeping both and losing the Subsequent and Analog Keys. I still love the MxB for crusty sounds, the wavefolder, the modulateable BBD, etc. And you might miss the larger keyboard, larger CV patchbay, etc. so it might depend on which features are important to you.
[/quote]

Thank you for your mini-review.  I had  the Pro 1 back in the day, more recently the Pro 2 and loved the sequencer, I agree it's miles ahead.  Are you getting a lot of satisfaction from the limited number of wavetables, or is there a pretty decent variety that you see years of creativity ahead with it?

(I'm so over the MB and Arturia's lack of support.  On my Pro 2, once I accidentally reversed some CV into the wrong jack and blew an op-amp.  Within days, Sequential had me remove the main board (weighed like 1 or 2 pounds), send it in, and I had the replacement and it fixed within a few days.)

I'm also eyeing the Hydrasynth.  Looks amazing.  The downside is the same guy who had a huge hand in developing the MatrixBrute (D'Arcy) is a primary dev on the Hydrasynth.  So I have an irrational fear that he'll move on, like he did from Arturia, and any bugs that might show up might take 2 years to fix. But I have no clue what happens behind closed doors with these companies so my fear is probably pretty irrational....
Thanks again for the info on the Pro 3.  Hopefully I'll get one if I can move this MB in today's synth market.
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: guyaguy on March 20, 2020, 06:55:12 pm

Thereís a lot to work with in wavetables especially with the morphing options. But with the continuously variable waves and shape mod on the VCOs there are lots of options there too. Iíve actually made a video showing how to set up analog wavetables for endless variations!


https://youtu.be/N91c_i-RrJ4
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: Processaurus on April 11, 2020, 11:27:12 am
I would be thrilled with 4 pages of matrix arp. 16x 1/16th notes is one measure, 32 steps is very nice for music because it is 2x measures, lets you do a variation to your pattern.

Thereíd be a UI issue of what happens when your pattern advances to the other pages, does it follow? Ignore it and stay on the page? Blink the page light to show which page itís on?
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: endreola on April 11, 2020, 05:14:00 pm
With proper design engineering this should never occur: 

ďonce I accidentally reversed some CV into the wrong jack and blew an op-amp.ď

Product Managers need to understand that users makes mistakes and their production product should be protected from such accidents.  Take Mutable Instruments example, their inputs can withstand extreme voltages spikes, such as static discharge peaking thousands of volts. 

Just saying...
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: SingleCell on April 12, 2020, 12:29:47 am
I would be thrilled with 4 pages of matrix arp. 16x 1/16th notes is one measure, 32 steps is very nice for music because it is 2x measures, lets you do a variation to your pattern.

Thereíd be a UI issue of what happens when your pattern advances to the other pages, does it follow? Ignore it and stay on the page? Blink the page light to show which page itís on?

Yeah, I often find myself using up a precious LFO just to trick the Matrix Arp into sounding like it's a longer pattern than it actually is.  A 16 step pattern can get repetitive very quickly, even when changing chords a lot.

I agree with your idea of having the currently playing page light blink (rather than turning pages automatically) ... so you can edit the Arp while it plays, without it switching pages on you.

Also, thanks for discussing the actual topic of this thread.  It's refreshing.
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: Sofine on May 17, 2020, 11:41:37 am
Since, in the new 2.0 version, those 4 User Modulation buttons now light up, it gave me the idea for using them to switch between pages of the Matrix Arpeggiator.  This could allow for longer patterns, up to 4 pages (64 steps) long. 

Alternately, they could be used for The Sequencer and Matrix Arpeggiator both, to switch between 4 different Sequences on the fly... with all 4 pages being stored with the current patch.


They could also be used to select 4 different banks of Presets, for that matter...

As a relatively new owner / user of the MxB a big (on-topic) +1 for this.
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: Edouard_Arturia on May 18, 2020, 01:10:50 pm
Hey guys.

These ideas looks fantastic, but keep in mind that the CPU, RAM, and flash memory are limited  ;D$

Edouard
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: Sofine on May 18, 2020, 02:05:44 pm
Hey guys.

These ideas looks fantastic, but keep in mind that the CPU, RAM, and flash memory are limited  ;D$

Edouard

So that's a "YES" then is it?

Just kidding :)

The MxB is wonderful, any additional love for it would be great.
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: VAU on May 18, 2020, 09:48:50 pm
Hey guys.

These ideas looks fantastic, but keep in mind that the CPU, RAM, and flash memory are limited  ;D$

Edouard

Synth hardware can be upgraded, right?
Title: Re: 4 Pages of Matrix Arpeggiator, etc....
Post by: STM on May 20, 2020, 04:15:23 am
but keep in mind that the CPU, RAM, and flash memory are limited
That got me wondering how much of these resources are already used and how much is still free for new things.
Could you please state how much free KB or MB RAM / flash is left and a estimation of the current CPU usage (in % maybe)?
I'm aware that these numbers won't tell much about the resources and coding effort needed to implement some new stuff and it heavily depends on the 'size' of the feature.

But it would be cool to know anyway  ;)