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Harware Legacy versions => Origin => General Discussion on Origin => Topic started by: Teuf on November 27, 2007, 12:07:58 pm
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Hi ! ...again
Here the main idée of movable potentiometers (The MoPot's Show :mrgreen:)
One pic in English, one pic in French.
This concept would use the same electromagnetic resonance than WACOM gears.
(http://perso.numericable.fr/naneteuf/public/teuf/protointerface/mopots-show.jpg)
(http://perso.numericable.fr/naneteuf/public/teuf/protointerface/mopots.jpg)
It could be used with the first concept :
(http://perso.numericable.fr/naneteuf/public/teuf/protoorigin/protoorigin-2-model.jpg)
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and could be also used with other concepts or bigger screens :wink:
(http://perso.numericable.fr/naneteuf/public/teuf/protointerface/protointerface-mopots.jpg)
(http://perso.modulonet.fr/naneteuf/public/teuf/prototeuf-mk2/prototeuf-mk2-montage.png)
Regards
Stephane
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Update above ...
Teuf
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Some explanation about the Graphical User Interface and its differents areas :
Translation will come later ... (I will try)
(http://perso.numericable.fr/naneteuf/public/teuf/protointerface/prototactil-2d.jpg)
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Any comments about MoPot's concept ? :|
Am I totally ioncomprehensible ? :mrgreen:
Teuf
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maybe just the wrong moment for your concept?
now it is more about updating the already existing software and
to finish the almost [?] done hardware.
nightmare if they would start now a new project before the
old work is done.
bd
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I see...
You're quite right
sorry !
It was just to share... dreams :|
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sorry sorry,
I did not want to destroy dreams -- not at all.
your concept sounds like you could start your own company
no joke!
:idea: :idea: :idea:
http://createdigitalmusic.com/category/news/
http://electro-music.com/forum/
http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/index.php
http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums/
but maybe you know this forums already ?!
best wishes and go on!
bd :)
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..........................................................................You've sunk my Battleship.............................................................................
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(http://naneteuf.ifrance.com/teuf/Proto-ORACLE/InterfaceInteractive.png)
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pics came back :D
Teuf
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(http://perso.numericable.fr/naneteuf/public/teuf/protointerface/protointerface-mopots.jpg)
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Technology/eBay_Battleship_071204_ssh.jpg)
:D :D :D :D :D :D
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Hi Slammah,
I prefer music and synthesis :wink:
It seems Wacom recently realize a such kind of marker for tablet which recognizes rotation movements...so the Mopot's idea (electromagnetic real potentiometer to "touch" virtuals ones) is not so ridiculous.
:roll:...anyway, even without that, it's not a ridiculous concept :lol:
Teuf
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Hi Slammah,
I prefer music and synthesis :wink:
It seems Wacom recently realize a such kind of marker for tablet which recognizes rotation movements...so the Mopot's idea (electromagnetic real potentiometer to "touch" virtuals ones) is not so ridiculous.
:roll:...anyway, even without that, it's not a ridiculous concept :lol:
Teuf
The new screens from the I phone are also multi touch....
would a slider multi touch not work better if not just as well???
the CS80 has a total of 5 rotarys on it...Volume , pitch , fine tune,tremolo and chorus speeds,everything else is quick to grab via sliders and rockers....
Arps like the 2600 and odyssey went for sliders too....
It occured to me that you can operate a slider with 1 finger or a thumb, but a knob takes a finger and a thumb.....I only have 1 thumb on each hand, so to tweak 2 knobs simotaneously, I would have to stop playing for my keys for rotary's....
wheras a multi touch screen with sliders that can't get lost makes more sence to me.....since you could move multiple sliders while playing...
"It was a sad day when I had to play battleship with spaggetii sticks subbed in for pegs after my sisters friends came over"
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Hi Slammah,
I prefer music and synthesis :wink:
It seems Wacom recently realize a such kind of marker for tablet which recognizes rotation movements...so the Mopot's idea (electromagnetic real potentiometer to "touch" virtuals ones) is not so ridiculous.
:roll:...anyway, even without that, it's not a ridiculous concept :lol:
Teuf
The new screens from the I phone are also multi touch....
would a slider multi touch not work better if not just as well???
the CS80 has a total of 5 rotarys on it...Volume , pitch , fine tune,tremolo and chorus speeds,everything else is quick to grab via sliders and rockers....
Arps like the 2600 and odyssey went for sliders too....
It occured to me that you can operate a slider with 1 finger or a thumb, but a knob takes a finger and a thumb.....I only have 1 thumb on each hand, so to tweak 2 knobs simotaneously, I would have to stop playing for my keys for rotary's....
wheras a multi touch screen with sliders that can't get lost makes more sence to me.....since you could move multiple sliders while playing...
Yes it's thrue, you are quite right... :-D
Personnally I never use several figners at same time to edit a sound...and I think knobs take less space than slider ...what interest me in this case :)
In add a lot of gear uses knobs instead sliders without any problems. Some exemples I know : my Creamware Minimax, pro12, Triton Studio (a fiew ones) ...hummm... my S90ES has sliders ! but even if I'm fonf of this keyboard, I would preffer knobs instead sliders on its panel... :roll:
If you compare Prodyssey ASB to the Minimax or Pro12 you see it is bigger because the sliders...I'm not against these controllers but it's less my cup of tea :)
It is differents point of views...differents philosophie (such Mg and ARP :roll: )
Thanks to your interesting views. :-D
But both can be used on the same interface :wink:
Teuf :D
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The main idea with this concept is to obtain the most parameters in the less (reasonable) space with the best phisical interactivity possible.
And that, as if you can change the minimax interface to the pro12 interface or anything else interface with only one and same interface by moving knobs:D
(sorry for my so personnal grammar :mrgreen: :oops:...help !!)
(...) << >>(http://www.kaosaudio.com/images/hardware/creamware-minimax-asb.jpg)<< >>(http://www.kaosaudio.com/images/news/creamware-pro12-asb.jpg) << >> (...)
Teuf
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The main idea with this concept is to obtain the most parameters in the less (reasonable) space with the best phisical interactivity possible.
And that, as if you can change the minimax interface to the pro12 interface or anything else interface with only one and same interface :D
(sorry for my so personnal grammar :mrgreen: :oops:)
(...) << >>(http://www.kaosaudio.com/images/hardware/creamware-minimax-asb.jpg)<< >>(http://www.kaosaudio.com/images/news/creamware-pro12-asb.jpg) << >> (...)
Teuf
O'RLY
(http://www.alphaentek.com/images%5Ccs80%20memories.jpg)
hmm
(http://www.harmony-central.com/ProductImages/Large/000001180.jpg)
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Yes, even if you reduce the size of the second picture we can see the Prodyssey take more place in depth than the two other Creamware's ASB :?
But the "O'RLY" (which I don't know...what's that ?) seems to be quite compact and intersting :D
Thanks Slammah2012
...with your own sensibility, how would you design an ergonomic "general-purpose" interface ?
Teuf
(so, it's not a war with knobs against sliders...hmmm? ...he he :wink: )
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the 38 pots and 25 switches on the prodyssey should naturly take more room than the 28 pots 14 switches of the minimax and the spaceless 29 pots 24 switches on the pro12....
BTW .... the interesting slider picture ...was made in 1978...
(http://www.alphaentek.com/images%5Ccs80%20memories.jpg)......
let me expand on that for you...., just under the little lid
(http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v133/217/125/702632108/n702632108_271782_4702.jpg)
and only 5 rotary pots......
the CS80.....the most playable intuitive synth alive....sliders on top, detented rocker arms in the performance area...
Controls you can reach up and grab
(http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v121/217/125/702632108/n702632108_290365_6112.jpg)
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I did't know this "James Bond" pannel :shock: nice !
Yes, you're right, sorry , I thought sliders take more space ... but with little sliders such Prodyssey ones you can put a lot of parameters on a few surface :o :oops: ...I never seen/considered this point (bouhou !)
In add ...it is possible to reduce the space at the left and the right of each sliders where knobs need a minimum space to move finger around them... :roll:
Thanks to open my eyes Slammah :D
Enen if I prefer the knobs feeling ... I must admit that sliders are more interesting I have imagined (good conjugation in english ? :? )
If I would want to play the fool I would say it would be possible to reduce the size of knob too ... but I can't think it may be very handy :?
So, a little question... would a little virtual slider on a touch screen be enough precis compared to a movable knob on a electromagnetic touch screen ?
Possible
I would preffer you be less enigmatic...I like share/discuss with you ;-)
Teuf
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Teuf,
As I didn't answered your mails yet, why not starting a debate here..
Your idea (in the concept) is very interesting, and even more, a bit like the 'grail of the synth modelisation'.(same interface, same physical contact, etc..)
but about your magnetic knobs :
1 - It's not obvious because it's a separate part of the synth - what will happen if you lose your knob before a gig?
2 - on stage again you don't have to be very precise when you manipulate your filter cutoff (for instance) on a traditionnal synth, because the knob can't move, and can only rotate. what will happen with a moving knob in a case of 'musical emergency' ?
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Teuf,
As I didn't answered your mails yet, why not starting a debate here..
Your idea (in the concept) is very interesting, and even more, a bit like the 'grail of the synth modelisation'.(same interface, same physical contact, etc..)
but about your magnetic knobs :
1 - It's not obvious because it's a separate part of the synth - what will happen if you lose your knob before a gig?
2 - on stage again you don't have to be very precise when you manipulate your filter cutoff (for instance) on a traditionnal synth, because the knob can't move, and can only rotate. what will happen with a moving knob in a case of 'musical emergency' ?
lol.....the only time I had to move a knob in a musical emergency was when my CS80 stand toppled over on top of our drumset.....
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1 - It's not obvious because it's a separate part of the synth - what will happen if you lose your knob before a gig?
(I think 2 pieces are sufficient)
You have to clip it on its axis if you didn't want to loose it (them). The MoPot never stand on the screen wen the interface is OFF.
(http://perso.numericable.fr/naneteuf/public/teuf/protointerface/mopots-show.jpg)
And even if you lose it...you can use the main dial who can control each parametrer if you select it on the screen with your finger (touch screen)
in the same way you use a Triton or a Oasys.
I think the MoPot's will be efficient in studio during sound designing or audio/MIDI mixing.
2 - on stage again you don't have to be very precise when you manipulate your filter cutoff (for instance) on a traditionnal synth, because the knob can't move, and can only rotate. what will happen with a moving knob in a case of 'musical emergency' ?
In this case, to "secure" a gig, you can (you must) use one of the 22/24 assignables rotary knobs around the screen (like the ORIGIN in fact)
It must be handy and easy to use : you select a parameter on the screen with your finger and at the same time you push on the knob at your choise to assign it :)
(http://perso.numericable.fr/naneteuf/public/teuf/protointerface/protointerface-mopots.jpg)
And it also possible to use a virtual slider on the screen if the sensivity of the screen allow it ... or several of them if the screen is a multitouch system (Slammah :wink: ) I like this spec too :D
Teuf
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Wow...a new forum :-)
Ootch ! ??? No so handy to view pics :-\
Teuf
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I just find another concrete example about graphical interface who use a huge quantity of potentiometers to edit parameters :
The kind of interface where I wish use MoPot's in real time :)
(http://www.rekonaudio.com/images/SS_VSTVirusEditor.jpg)
Teuf
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And here it is, a working model of your MoPot idea:
http://girtonlabs.googlepages.com/sensesurface
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Thanks, many tanks
My heart is full with joy :D :D :D :D
Teuf