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General => Free Speech => Topic started by: omissis on March 04, 2006, 12:24:38 pm
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I feel it's a device that deserves to be ported to software and, in a way, it's easier to code than the previous synths made by Arturia ..what do you think about ?
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Definitively yes for a synthex emulation :D
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Merci Georges :!: :!: :!: :wink: .... hope I won't be asking you some Synthex examples :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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you are welcome :D
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I haven't heard the Synthex, to my knowledge, but I remember when it was originally around and it sounded like a synth worth checking out, from the reviews it got.
I think one of the great things about these Arturia emulations is that they put rare and hard to get synths into many people's hands. The Synthex sounds like a good candidate from that point of view so long as it'd be commercially viable. I think J-M Jarre may have used it? - which should make it appeal to a wider audence.
I'd also like Arturia to do a Jupiter 8, or even better, a combined Jupiter 8 and Jupiter 6, as I believe there were some differences in sound between the two.
What I'd really like to see, actually is Arturia make the transition from being a small company with brilliant products that they can just about support and add to by stretching their resources (that's the impression I have), to being a larger company wth the same level of brilliance and the resources to work on creating several new synths and also refining their existing products to make them even better than they are now.
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I haven't heard the Synthex, to my knowledge, but I remember when it was originally around and it sounded like a synth worth checking out, from the reviews it got.
I think one of the great things about these Arturia emulations is that they put rare and hard to get synths into many people's hands. The Synthex sounds like a good candidate from that point of view so long as it'd be commercially viable. I think J-M Jarre may have used it? - which should make it appeal to a wider audence.
Yes , Jarre used it all over "Rendez-vous" ( do you remember "Laser Harp" ? It was Synthex! ), moreover I think it could be a great tribute , and could get the support from the genius of Mario Maggi, the developer of the Synthex
I'd also like Arturia to do a Jupiter 8, or even better, a combined Jupiter 8 and Jupiter 6, as I believe there were some differences in sound between the two.
Do you think that Roland, after having implemented a JP8 emulation on their own VariOS ( named VariOS-8 ) will give them the right to use the name? I tried the 8 and the 6 and, even being very good synths they sounded nothing smashing to me... :?
What I'd really like to see, actually is Arturia make the transition from being a small company with brilliant products that they can just about support and add to by stretching their resources (that's the impression I have), to being a larger company wth the same level of brilliance and the resources to work on creating several new synths and also refining their existing products to make them even better than they are now.
I think that , the better their ideas of promoting their software they make ( and protection dongles are not a good idea, better to give good care and support to their users ), the better the company itself will develope. On the side of synthesizers I think that a first good move could be to port their synths also to Linux OS, because, after all, Linux has a stability that Windows will never reach, more it's more configurable for the needs of musicians and its kernel can be reduced to a minimum configuration to support musical instruments , and could be as fast as Windows and even faster despite dedicated drivers.I know that CS80V for example works well as a VST (although some GUI problems ), but to have a full compatible version can be a dream came true! A crowd of Linux users is waiting for their instruments....
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PS: DON'T FORGET TO VOTE!!!!
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I voted yes even if I have never touched a synthex in all my life. Well, same thing regarding the former vintage emulations :oops: (I come from the 6 string world)
As far as the dongle is concerned, I don't think it was a bad idea to implement it. It seems to be the best copy protection at the present time and avoiding piracy is also one of the issues that can make Arturia even stronger on the software market. Just my point of view :)
By the way, who tried the brand new prophet ? Any comment yet ?
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Dizadron
For a nice review of the ELKA Synthex
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec99/articles/elka.htm
About the dongles I won't be giving them a damn until they will become a problem rather than a purchase proof :wink:
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Wow, that's another beast, thanks Italy :wink:
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yes all famous vintage synth are interesting for me :D
but without dongle :wink:
But first I would prefer a Synthi, even if I found one for Reaktor.
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for a synthi, the Synthi AVS from EMS Rehberg is not bad at all.
http://www.emsrehberg.de/SYNTHI__s/synthi__s.html
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Synthex, yes, yes, it would be very great, I am waiting for this.
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for a synthi, the Synthi AVS from EMS Rehberg is not bad at all.
http://www.emsrehberg.de/SYNTHI__s/synthi__s.html
I know but it's a SE synth and expansive as a SE synth.
It use lot of CPU :?
The one for Reaktor eat less CPU.
I hope to find one without reaktor engine, more optimized than SE. That's why I ask Arturia for a synthi. If it's not Arturia, maybe Gmedia :D
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another thing I want is an hardware piece :
like creamware system or UAD, but not proprietary, open to all VST, I would like a DSP card which could help the CPU.
Charge on CPU become a real problem : VSTi are better but use more and more CPU because they become more complex and have a better sound definition (= lot of data for CPU). In the same time, CPU power doesn't grow enough nowadays. We must find a solution. It's not practical to use the freeze function or mixdown. :idea:
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In the same time, CPU power doesn't grow enough nowadays. We must find a solution. It's not practical to use the freeze function or mixdown.
I agree with that. At the same time, people wish more and more, very faithfull emulations, and this, requires much resources from CPU.
Then in the traditional VST model, CPU is shared by the OS, and if
we consider OS as Vista from microsoft it'll be worse.
I think Linux could be very helpful, but inside an external hardware,
to host VST's. A bit in the same way as Nord Modular Engine from
Clavia.
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In the same time, CPU power doesn't grow enough nowadays. We must find a solution. It's not practical to use the freeze function or mixdown.
I agree with that. At the same time, people wish more and more, very faithfull emulations, and this, requires much resources from CPU.
Then in the traditional VST model, CPU is shared by the OS, and if
we consider OS as Vista from microsoft it'll be worse.
I think Linux could be very helpful, but inside an external hardware,
to host VST's. A bit in the same way as Nord Modular Engine from
Clavia.
Right Georges, I think that the future will be made on hadware dedicated cpus ( like UAD1 for example ) and with VST editors...I must also agree that the dongle nothing but frustrates me....I pay and I'll be limited ? One guy on another forum said this kind of copy protection was intended for not allowing licence transfers etc but doesn't prevent piracy....I hope that the people at Arturia will soon fire up their Sales advisors.....
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Such hardware might be what Arturia will be working on in a close future ...
I hope any license transfer is possible even with a dongle protected piece of soft. If not, it would indeed bother whatever potential customer.
Could Yamaha have obliged arturia to use this syncrosoft protection ? What do you think ?
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Such hardware might be what Arturia will be working on in a close future ...
I hope any license transfer is possible even with a dongle protected piece of soft. If not, it would indeed bother whatever potential customer.
Could Yamaha have obliged arturia to use this syncrosoft protection ? What do you think ?
Definitely...maybe ! (hope that Oasis won't be dongling their words :wink: )...no, really, Yamaha is just their USA distributor, just a marketing agreement ( but if they rather should consider giving Arturia the help of Mr. Nishimoto, Mr. Hiyoshi and Mr.Suzuki for the CS-80, I would be very happy about it :wink: :wink: ) !!!!!
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I don't know what would happen if the dongle would become
unusable, and contains Cubase SX, Halion 3, and every VST's from
Arturia for example.
If it's unusable none could know what it contained before.
Like this what would happen? rebuy everything?
:roll:
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Apparently, it seems possible to transfer a license through the syncrosoft LCC app. I guess it must cost more some bucks though. Same thing if one loses or damages one's key :? Well I may be wrong, don't know ... :?:
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Apparently, it seems possible to transfer a license through the syncrosoft LCC app. I guess it must cost more some bucks though. Same thing if one loses or damages one's key :? Well I may be wrong, don't know ... :?:
I got the answer from syncrosoft, so the answer is:
If dongle would be lost or stolen, no way, need to
re-buy every license which were inside. :evil:
If dongle would be unusable, but still physically exists,
need to send back the dongle to any of the companies
who sold such license, then inside the dogle, a number is
written, we could see this number.
With this number, they could ask syncrosoft, to
transfer to a new dongle, every licenses the defective
dongle contained.
So, I think it's very important to insure dongle to get back
money if it's stolen. Or need to sleep with it around the neck
:mrgreen:
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So, I think it's very important to insure dongle to get back
money if it's stolen. Or need to sleep with it around the neck
:mrgreen:
That's the pain...I'm paying good moneys then I'm f***ed up if anything happens...I wonder if are there on the round any legit user who will have a warez of his synth in order to face unwanted problems like stealth of dongles etc, I've not this problem, cause I play them for fun into my house :wink: .....
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So, I think it's very important to insure dongle to get back
money if it's stolen. Or need to sleep with it around the neck
lol, yep but how much money would a company insure a little blue red lighted usb stick ? :mrgreen:
Well, I'm starting thinking that dongles suck :evil:
Oops, and the future upgrades of every tae synth may require one :shock:
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lol, yep but how much money would a company insure a little blue red lighted usb stick ? :mrgreen:
Need to insure it as if it's a golden ring. (it's possible).
Only need to say this dongle for you has such or such value
and they insure as a ring.
Here in France, I red about a guy, who let his cubase dongle
in his car, then his car was stolen. He showed to Steinberg the
bill as he bought cubase in the right way, and even showed
to them papers from Police where he declared this dongle
was stolen. Steinberg said he only needed to rebuy cubase
full price, even a little discount he didn't get.
:evil:
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Omissis is right : "honest idiots we are !".
OT : there's another company whose policy I disagree with : Waves Ltd. I bought an FX bundle for 2000 € from them in 2003. Now that I have a new computer, I have to buy a waves update plan (around 300 us$) and an iLok key if I want to install the plugs on it. Ok, I'll have the new version (v5 vs 4) but hey, what a mess, another damn key and some more money off my pocket :roll:
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Omissis is right : "honest idiots we are !".
:roll:
Yeah, but honest ( sad consolation... :roll: )...
What I dream....the legit purchase would become an added value for a legit customer
What reality is....the legit user getting raged against the company, the warez user still laughing out before the screen....thank you big boys.. :evil:
END OF THE TALK
(please address the dongle debate on the appropriate thread, yes?? )
Let's get back on the ELKA Synthex topic , shall we :?: :wink: :wink:
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the synthex is wellknown for the laser arp sound but does someone have some other sounds examples ?
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http://www.bluesynths.com
look for the Synthex' audio files
http://www.fsgdc.at/download/Synthex_workshop.mp3
ELKA Synthex, Audio workshop .....
Enjoy!!!!
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I've been a JMJ fan for years, so I'd love a Synthex. :oops:
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I've been a JMJ fan for years
me too but I stopped since he made techno music. For me his best works were made between '76 and '85 (oxygene to zoolook).
Equinoxe and oxygene are real masterpieces :) That's the sound I'd like to find so all synths used (and effects) are interesting to me.
It could be interesting if Arturia could make a drum synth to recreate the sounds of oxygen and equinoxe drums (rythmic computer ?), not a drum sampler but a real synth. Maybe I could find in Reaktor... I must see that.
I like Gmedia and Arturia for emulating famous vintage synth and hope they will go on (still lot of interesting vintage : some Oberheim, Mg -microMg-, Arp-quadra, omni, solina, axxe-, RSF-french synth lol-, Crumar, and lot of others)
Maybe we could emulate axxe with the 2600V but the interest of making a smaller synth is a lower CPU usage.